Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7527413)

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Great post, I wish we saw more posts like yours. However, I disagree with some, not all, of what you said.

What Katie Hopkins does is neither original or clever. Picking out the most controversial of subject and taking the view that sits at the extreme is bound to appeal to the radical thinkers. I don't believe this creates debate, other than "what sort of person is Katie Hopkins?". It causes unrest, resentment and argument. This is why people like Farage had to severely dampen down his spiel and sack members of his party that have been too forthright when speaking out.

Whilst I believe we should all have a voice, if we are given a platform for that voice we shouldn't abuse that platform. We must be prepared to back up what we have said because if we don't, then it has to be presumed its been said in ignorance. Unfortunately, this isn't something Katie Hopkins has been willing to do thus far.

I don't agree with many of Katie Hopkins views but would respect her if only she could debate those views with her interested audience. Until that day, all I can see is a woman with a hand grenade who chucks and scarpers.

Last week I was waiting for a bus and had perched myself on a seat at the bus stop. Seeing a heavily pregnant Muslim woman approach, I got up and offered her my seat. She smiled but declined and moments later an elderly woman looked at me and uttered, "bloody immigrants, why don't they go back to their own country?". Me being me, couldn't resist questioning why this woman felt the need to say this to me but she turned her back on me and walked away. Why couldn't she answer me? because she honestly didn't have an intelligent enough answer that would of satisfied my curiosity and she knew that. What that woman did is in parallel with what Katie Hopkins does.

Originally Posted by camertone (Post 7527030)

I cannot believe this nasty woman is the most favorite housemate on the forum so far. Is she really gonna win? In latest year, CBB winners were quite open sexist pig or trashy party girl, or some other lowlife. What's going on with our society morals?

Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 7527562)

Sadly I think some of those people are sexually aroused by her :shocked:
They should seek medical advice quickly :nono:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 7527716)

Sexually aroused or intrigued by her supposed dominance?

Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 7558678)

Please don't make me start visualising her in latex with a riding crop. I don't want nightmares!

Originally Posted by mazerunner_888 (Post 7527158)

My understanding of this she is speaking to a very base aspect of people. A projected external blame that negates self examination and motive. To me one of the worst things she ever said was a call to continue the bombing raid by Israel on the people of Palestine which includes families, woman and of course children. To me this is not some Perez self absorbed rant it's on a very different level. It's on the level of a hate crime, a dehumanization of a people, a call for genocide. I think for the UK public and the people on this forum to not see that is a deep ignorance and a real tragedy. For her to have that this support from the UK public is deeply problematic. To me she is not someone speaking her mind but something very ugly that should be cut out of a society that values any sort of compassion and tolerance.

Originally Posted by mrsmith78 (Post 7527316)

Well I think this comment is kind of why people are relating with Katie Hopkins.

Because people don't like when disingenuous arguments are made not in a way to promote debate and opinions but to stifle it. By throwing around loaded terms to shut down a conversation.

I mean the example you use is the perfect example.

She believes in Isreal's bombing campaign.

As do many.

Why is that?

Because many think a coordinated bombing campaign is the only way. Because of Hamas's own less discriminate bombing campaign who deliberate target innocent women and children and also use their own women and children as human shield. Because the Hamas ideology is the extermination of all Jews.

This might be an argument you agree with, or disagree with. Because actually there is a genuine argument against.

However what you have chosen to do is go the easy route and shut down the argument because it's much easier to do that by throwing out loaded untruths like 'genocide', and 'hate crime'.

As with terms like 'sexism', 'racism' when they are used to quiet real debate however extreme or opposing an opinion might be most people in real life don't like it. Because not only is it insulting and irritating to the people who you oppose but it undermines and insults the people who you agree with.

And that's why people like Katie. Her opinions are often at the extreme ends of the spectrum for dramatic effect and as such fairly two dimensional and black and white. However her loaded terms are designed to encourage debate not shut it down. Whether I agree or disagree I like that.

Originally Posted by LuciaX (Post 7527416)

If Hopkins wins it will truly ruin the entire show for me.

Someone who is such a nasty person shouldn't be awarded anything

Originally Posted by cfromhx02 (Post 7527199)

So, she just has opinions like us, is just being honest and voicing her opinion,whioch is Katie's excuse.

Sorry IMO that's completely wrong. This is why :-

Katie Hopkins has said that Ebola victims are just because people were lazy with hygiene.

She has said that she wants as many Palestinians as possible to be knifed and has called for the murder of Palestinian Children

And she has abused the victims of Cancer

Plus,YES, she has been a bully, in the house.

She has gone out of her way,as Cami has gone out of her way too,to hurl abuse at Alicia when nothing else was happening between them.

Katie Hopkins and Cami have kept bringing up abusive things to hurl at Alicia time and again when she wasn't saying anything to them,having a go when they could have NOT started argument up again.

Katie also several times got in Alicia's face up close for her one brain cell,and other abuse as well as befriended her trying to appear like she was her pal which Alicia being the most innocent

and one of the nicest in the house fell for,she faked being pal

then went to Cami to use what she'd found out to bitch about her.

& I don't like Perez either but her following him around,leaning over him in the bed,when he was trying to escape, keeping repeating the same insults over and over,

& belittling his penis over and over,

pointing through the glass at him,saying get it,like get it yet,that her view was so important

and must be obeyed like it was law or something.

These behaviours against Alicia and Perez are definitely bullying.

& most of us wouldn't keep looking for new things to attack someone with or keep repeating the same insults over and over to Alicia like she did,when we could let things be quiet and peaceful

& most of us wouldn't follow someone around and not let them escape whilst we hurled abuse at them

and we wouldn't say to someone,get it,like our word must get obeyed as it is law

or point our finger through glass like we are trying to drill into their brain.

That is what Katie does she won't let people off hook and she follows them about and keeps shouting the same abuse at them

over and over like it has to be obeyed,that is bullying and very dictatorial.

Very few people would behave like that,

and next to none of us would say Ebola victims are cos of being lazy at hygiene

or say we wanted as many people as possible in Palestine to be knifed, that we wanted the children in Palestine murdered

So Katie does not say the things the rest say, it is not just about being honest,

and outspoken, she is a dictator, who won't let people escape and tries to drill her abusive bigoted opinions into people

(because she generalises and makes generalistic stupid comments about groups of people - that's why it's bigoted)

and almost no one would abuse Ebola,

Palestinians,Children and Cancer

like she does,so in what way is she like the rest of us,

and in what way are her behaviours not abuse

and not bullying ?

Originally Posted by Erik B (Post 7558977)

Hopkins is the reason I have stopped watching the show a few days ago. IMO she does not debate, like a MCDonald employee she would answer any one by saying "Are you sure?" Then leave and make a nasty comment.

Hopkins like any person has the right to opinions, but I don't surround myself in real life with hateful people e.g. men who don't give equal rights to women, so I stopped watching.

In Hopkins case saying such hateful things for instance about overweight people in general without any knowledge or oversight is ignorant, mean and uncalled for and reminds me of a toddler's screams for attention.

You can debate most people reasonably well I believe, but not sociopaths. That is not a diagnosis, it's my opinion, but we can talk about it.

Originally Posted by camertone (Post 7527030)

I cannot believe this nasty woman is the most favorite housemate on the forum so far. Is she really gonna win? In latest year, CBB winners were quite open sexist pig or trashy party girl, or some other lowlife. What's going on with our society morals?

Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 7559251)

The bottom line for me is whether others like her or not, it is for them to choose.

Calling her offensive names, quoting her out of context, overreaction, blatant hatred, will not sway me.

Debate without the above will interest me and make me think about my choice.

Originally Posted by mrsmith78 (Post 7527316)

Well I think this comment is kind of why people are relating with Katie Hopkins.

Because people don't like when disingenuous arguments are made not in a way to promote debate and opinions but to stifle it. By throwing around loaded terms to shut down a conversation.

I mean the example you use is the perfect example.

She believes in Isreal's bombing campaign.

As do many.

Why is that?

Because many think a coordinated bombing campaign is the only way. Because of Hamas's own less discriminate bombing campaign who deliberate target innocent women and children and also use their own women and children as human shield. Because the Hamas ideology is the extermination of all Jews.

This might be an argument you agree with, or disagree with. Because actually there is a genuine argument against.

However what you have chosen to do is go the easy route and shut down the argument because it's much easier to do that by throwing out loaded untruths like 'genocide', and 'hate crime'.

As with terms like 'sexism', 'racism' when they are used to quiet real debate however extreme or opposing an opinion might be most people in real life don't like it. Because not only is it insulting and irritating to the people who you oppose but it undermines and insults the people who you agree with.

And that's why people like Katie. Her opinions are often at the extreme ends of the spectrum for dramatic effect and as such fairly two dimensional and black and white. However her loaded terms are designed to encourage debate not shut it down. Whether I agree or disagree I like that.[/QUOTE]

That is a good point tbh, the trouble with many they are to patronising trying to keep in with everyone and as you say closing a debate down. Talking generally here. For the general public it is sometimes easier just to criticise and to ignore.

I can see the flip sides to everything said but then the two sides have to be weighed up, there is never ever a satisfactory answer to please everyone. I have never really looked into Katies remarks, only gone by that which others have said. I would say though there is always a wider picture and the picture which in the end gets best results and saves a man from drowning is obviously the right one. The trouble is we cannot save everyone, this is a very sad fact of life.

Originally Posted by camertone (Post 7565527)

katie h is the worst kind of bully, she's repulsive and repugnant. her best pal michelle is also a bully, she is silent when she witnesses bullying, so much for her being for equality and humanity. she is a hypocrite. she even encourages bullying. they are ugly mean slappers.