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Shaun 01-04-2015 05:03 PM
Perhaps the problem is more that you should be accountable for your actions rather than needing to know who exactly has infracted you...

andybigbro 01-04-2015 05:03 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7674956)
It was just an example, I am not going to give a serious one because this is a clean thread and I want it to be nice with no trouble. :nono:
Right ok, well as far as I'm aware, infractions are only given when the member being targeted has reported. Unless it's an obvious targeting situation.

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:05 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 7674959)
Perhaps the problem is more that you should be accountable for your actions rather than needing to know who exactly has infracted you...
I don't care WHO it is, I just want to be able to explain myself. :shrug:

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:06 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andybigbro (Post 7674960)
Right ok, well as far as I'm aware, infractions are only given when the member being targeted has reported. Unless it's an obvious targeting situation.
Well if I aim something at you, for example, I should only be punished if it was you who reported me. :eureka:

andybigbro 01-04-2015 05:09 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7674965)
Well if I aim something at you, for example, I should only be punished if it was you who reported me. :eureka:
Thats how it generally is. Unless it's an obvious targeting situation.

But if wee feel the need to infract were we see fit, thats down to us. If people have a problem, then message a mod or admin and it will be discussed further in the towers if need be.

andybigbro 01-04-2015 05:11 PM
Also on a side note, we don't go infracting people for fun. :joker:

It's just something that we do in order to keep the forum pleasant and readable.

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:13 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 7674926)
You all act like we infract people for fun though, it's not like trawling through all the sh*te in the Lounge or wherever is enjoyable, it's mainly when reports start coming through that Mods respond to it
I know that it's not for fun, it's probably really boring. I would hate to be a mod and have to handle a report in a Rachel Rice Fan Club or something, I couldn't be bothered to read it all and figure out the true context unless it was blatantly obvious. The thing is, that is partly the issue with infractions being taken out of context, it's probably hard for someone who doesn't know the inside jokes etc.. to make proper judgement. That is why we should be able to explain ourselves.

Cherie 01-04-2015 05:14 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andybigbro (Post 7674979)
Also on a side note, we don't go infracting people for fun. :joker:

It's just something that we do in order to keep the forum pleasant and readable.
MTVN said exactly the same thing, is Josy feeding you lines through an earpiece :idc:

andybigbro 01-04-2015 05:15 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 7674987)
MTVN said exactly the same thing, is Josy feeding you lines through an earpiece :idc:
:joker: I never realised he said it.

andybigbro 01-04-2015 05:16 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jessica. (Post 7674986)
I know that it's not for fun, it's probably really boring. I would hate to be a mod and have to handle a report in a Rachel Rice Fan Club or something, I couldn't be bothered to read it all and figure out the true context unless it was blatantly obvious. The thing is, that is partly the issue with infractions being taken out of context, it's probably hard for someone who doesn't know the inside jokes etc.. to make proper judgement. That is why we should be able to explain ourselves.
You can explain yourselves, but us mods don't see the TiBB staff return messages, so pm a mod or admin directly and it will get discussed in the towers if need be.

arista 01-04-2015 05:18 PM
"What is the point in this account? It only seems to be used for mods to hide their identity. "


Jess you are being Silly
they work as one

Admin direct them

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:20 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by andybigbro (Post 7674996)
You can explain yourselves, but us mods don't see the TiBB staff return messages, so pm a mod or admin directly and it will get discussed in the towers if need be.
A great method would be:

"Did you really mean it when you told Marsh he has squinty eyes?"
"No, I was joking, he knows that"
"Well I got a report, it seems to have offended someone"
"Oh sorry, I'll delete it, I won't tell him he has squinty eyes any more"

Verus

Quote:
Dear Jessica.,

You have received an infraction at ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums.

Reason: Completely nasty and rude comment about another member
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Quote:
Marsh has squinty eyes.
How dare you think you have a right to say a member has squinty eyes, there is no need at all for this nasty behaviour.
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If you have too many infractions you may receive a posting ban.

All the best,
ThisisBigBrother.com - UK TV Forums

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:20 PM
Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly :fist:

Fetch The Bolt Cutters 01-04-2015 05:23 PM
i have only ever reported one person :fan:

Locke. 01-04-2015 05:23 PM
Doesn't really matter does it, you are back on now and can post whatever you wanted to post while you were banned.

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Locke. (Post 7675016)
Doesn't really matter does it, you are back on now and can post whatever you wanted to post while you were banned.
I already said I don't care about my ban, this is not what it's about. :nono:

Locke. 01-04-2015 05:24 PM
p.s I'm not sure what you were actually banned for but you deserved to be for the way you were speaking to Mock a few days back

Vicky. 01-04-2015 05:24 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7675009)
Tbh I think the infraction system is a bit messy, and I hope this thread stays open so that we can discuss it like adults rather than someone close it because they don't like that members are wanting to have something change

I think the fact that there's no clear infraction system makes the whole thing a bit redundant, someone could get 1 point for baiting and someone else 2 points (because they were given by different mods) and the second person knocked into a ban because of it, I think we should be able to see the amount of points given and there should be a full list of infractionable offences and the # of points given when they're commited

It's really annoying when mods say "if xxx carries on I'm giving out straight bans" in no way is that ever fair and I've never seen it done on any other forums, I wouldn't have a problem with TiBB staff if there was a system like I mentioned before, because then you know even if a mod dislikes you, you're only getting the set amount of points rather than them upping it (even slightly) because they dislike you

I know what I'm trying to say but it's not coming out properly :fist:
Yes, because this ALWAYS happens. Its not because for some reason or other a couple of members have to start sniping constantly in decent threads :idc:

We don't have access to the tibb staff account, everything goes automatically through it. We dont think 'oh I want to give someone I hate an infraction but if I do it they will know its me so lets hide'. I get emails when someone PMs tibb staff...but I also get emails from every report that gets made, so I'm sure you can imagine, I have set my tibb emails to go right to spam :laugh: I'm not reading through 50+ messages a day full of rubbish

If someone sends a proper reply to the account, james/josy let us know. They do not, however, pass on messages such as 'omgz this is bias, its not fair, X has a grudge' and other crap like that

Shaun 01-04-2015 05:26 PM
Idk why people care tbh

Vicky. 01-04-2015 05:27 PM
And yeah the systems a bit messy, but ANYTHING that requires human judgement is. The only way for it to be completely fair really is to have only one person modding the entire forum. Even a set (3 points for insult) wouldnt work, as then someone could say 'foxysarah is fat' while someone else said 'i hope elproximo drowns in a vat of acid while pins fly into his eyes' and then would both recieve the same points D:

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:28 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675020)
Yes, because this ALWAYS happens. Its not because for some reason or other a couple of members have to start sniping constantly in decent threads :idc:
Well either way I just hope the thread stays open so that people's queries are answered :fan:

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:30 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675022)
And yeah the systems a bit messy, but ANYTHING that requires human judgement is. The only way for it to be completely fair really is to have only one person modding the entire forum. Even a set (3 points for insult) wouldnt work, as then someone could say 'foxysarah is fat' while someone else said 'i hope elproximo drowns in a vat of acid while pins fly into his eyes' and then would both recieve the same points D:
Well this is a point system from another site I use and I think it works pretty well

Spoiler:



Warning Details

Abrasive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Your comment was rude and/or hurtful to other members or staff.

Disruptive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
- Spamming gifs/images/smileys/random keys
- Posting a pointless thread or too many times in a row
- Intentionally using a fake or misleading thread title
- Using all caps in a thread title

Profanity — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You've circumvented the profanity censor by swapping letters for symbols, spaces, etc.

Flamebait — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have started a thread or posted a reply that just seems to be fishing for an argument.

Insensitive — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Even if you might not realize it, what you said was mean to a particular group of people.

Nicknames — 1 point, expires in 30 days
You have mangled the name of a celebrity, public figure, brand or ATRL member into a stan name or a hater name.
Allowed: Honorary titles and shortened names such as "Queen Britney", "Legend X", "Princess Ri", etc
Not allowed: Over the top mangling or disrespectful names such as "Godga", "Successica Legendson", "Rihtard", etc

Off Topic — 1 point, expires in 30 days
Either you posted something irrelevant to the thread, or posted a thread in the wrong forum.

Fighting — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Arguing with someone in a thread instead of taking it to Stand Your Ground or your blog.

Offensive — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've said something racist, homophobic, or otherwise discriminatory.

Trolling — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Specifically and deliberately posting something with the intent to make people mad.

File Share Request — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You have requested a link to an illegal download or an illegal download website.

Infringement — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've posted an entire article without proper consent from the author or you did not properly link to and credit the source.

Graphic — 2 points, expires in 60 days
You've posted content that's either extremely violent or otherwise discomforting. Violent/discomforting content can be posted if it's collapsed and warning tagged.

Vulgar — 2 points, expires in 60 days
Your post or signature contains sexually explicit or suggestive content.

Explicit — 3 points, expires in 90 days
You've posted an explicit image without linking it inside [warning] and [url] tags or your avatar and/or signature contains excessively vulgar content.

File Sharing — 4 points, expires in 120 days
You have posted a link to an illegal download, illegal download website, or you have posted copyrighted material. Quoting posts that contain links to illegal downloads is also strictly prohibited.

Duplicate — 3 points, 3 month ban, never expires
We've discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.

Spam — Permanent ban


(Some of them might be irrelevant bc it's a music forum but still, it works a lot better than the ones on here

MTVN 01-04-2015 05:31 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675020)
Yes, because this ALWAYS happens. Its not because for some reason or other a couple of members have to start sniping constantly in decent threads :idc:

We don't have access to the tibb staff account, everything goes automatically through it. We dont think 'oh I want to give someone I hate an infraction but if I do it they will know its me so lets hide'. I get emails when someone PMs tibb staff...but I also get emails from every report that gets made, so I'm sure you can imagine, I have set my tibb emails to go right to spam :laugh: I'm not reading through 50+ messages a day full of rubbish

If someone sends a proper reply to the account, james/josy let us know. They do not, however, pass on messages such as 'omgz this is bias, its not fair, X has a grudge' and other crap like that
Aha ok I didn't realise this actually because all mail from TiBB goes to a separate folder which currently has 3862 unread messages

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:42 PM
But seriously back on topic can a mod respond to my posts please :dazzler:

Vicky. 01-04-2015 05:49 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7675030)
Duplicate — 3 points, 3 month ban, never expires
We've discovered that you have a duplicate account and are carrying on a second persona.
I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...

Vicky. 01-04-2015 05:51 PM
Anyway, I would be up for a change to the infraction system tbh.

Marsh. 01-04-2015 05:51 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675082)
I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...
I love in-mod fighting. :amazed:

arista 01-04-2015 05:52 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675091)
Anyway, I would be up for a change to the infraction system tbh.

will that help with the amount of mail
you have to read?

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:52 PM
ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:52 PM
Thanks to all of the mods who have contributed to this thread, I expected it to just flop but I was pleasantly surprised.

Shame on the derailers. :nono:

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:53 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675082)
I like this. I always thought we were too lax on multis...
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7675070)
Breaking the swear filter - *checks Smithy's list* - 1 point infraction.
See, the system works :clap2:

There'd be no more complaints too about bias modding, because everything is there in black and white about why you'll be infracted and how harsh it'll be

arista 01-04-2015 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7675096)
ALSO can we get actual reasons for infractions, I'm reading through my previous ones and the amount "Reason: No"'s is ridiculous, it just isn't that professional, which I think it should be if you're going to bother having a "middle man" which is TiBB staff

thats your view


Dramatic.


TIBB Staff
do a top job


If I buy this Forum
all staff are going to get a One Off Cash
Payment (Tax Free) gift

Vicky. 01-04-2015 05:54 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 7675099)
See, the system works :clap2:

There'd be no more complaints too about bias modding, because everything is there in black and white about why you'll be infracted and how harsh it'll be
Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675109)
Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either
:joker::joker::joker::joker:

One is just breaking the swear filter, the other counts as breaking the swear filter AND insulting someone, so they should get the points for both things?

Marsh. 01-04-2015 05:57 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675109)
Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either
Yes but the difference there is that X has simply broken the swear filter, Y would be breaking the swear filter AND attacking another member so the points build up. :smug:

I should be a mod tbh. :idc: Everyone would be getting a dozen charges for one post.

Jessica. 01-04-2015 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 7675117)
Yes but the difference there is that X has simply broken the swear filter, Y would be breaking the swear filter AND attacking another member so the points build up. :smug:

I should be a mod tbh. :idc: Everyone would be getting a dozen charges for one post.
I literally posted that five years before you.

Smithy 01-04-2015 05:58 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 7675107)
thats your view


Dramatic.


TIBB Staff
do a top job


If I buy this Forum
all staff are going to get a One Off Cash
Payment (Tax Free) gift
Can you just contribute to the matter at band rather than having a go at everything and anything members post, it's SO irritating trying to have a proper discussion with you quoting every other post just making snipey comments :umm2:
Quote:
Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 7675109)
Yes but theres still the issue of stuff like, lets take the swear filter...

X says 'this is ****' breaking the filter

Y says 'you stupid motherfcking c unt, fcking dickheading wankface cumstain'

Both should get one points? Personally I don't think thats fair either
Well the first person would get points for breaking the filter and the second for breaking the filter and insulting someone, is that not how it'd work? :suspect:

Iceman 01-04-2015 06:01 PM
But yeah maybe a change could work. I personally try and stick to what other mods have posted points wise.

arista 01-04-2015 06:01 PM
"just making snipey comments "


They are not snipey
I am honest.


I respect you as a Person


But as a member I can post my views
even if its shocking to you.

Smithy 01-04-2015 06:02 PM
Quote:
Originally Posted by arista (Post 7675134)
"just making snipey comments "


They are not snipey
I am honest.


I respect you as a Person


But as a member I can post my views
even if its shocking to you.
But your views are on my opinions not the thread at hand which is derailing and it'll only end in an argument


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