What's up with you promoting the bloated BBC?..

I'll watch what I want ta.
I'm confident like Joey they won't want an exit but even the referendum worries me. Things can be manipulated so easily.

Marr
is special as
it got the first Exclusive.


Why Not Record it
are you not able to - if you tell me
then I know in future


As for the Fecking Bloated BBC
I am paying for it
against my will.

If they Stop the Stupid Outdated Tax
and use "P" Product Placement
and ads
they can move on.

absolutely pathetic....they've been saying all of this was racism for 20 years now they are exposed as utterly fake with their endless fake outrage and fake racist accusations, now the truth is out and the facts and figures as delivered by farage and co for years has exposed the new labour charlatans....the to think any party who murdered 1 million plus foreigners in an illegal could preach to anyone about racism is unbelievable...new labour is truly the most transparent cowardly dangerous pernicious self serving sub human party that ever existed...no wonder old school socialists like tony benn despised it and the vile war criminal tony bliar

http://media.skynews.com/media/image...-1-720x960.jpg

Bang Bang
were Off


Rock on late 2017

And Ref: 16 year old voters for England
thats a Labour Policy
and they Fecked up and Lost the Election.


We are now in a Conservative Power
and for Scotland they have SNP
my mates
that killed off Labour MP's

How can they push ahead without the say so of the Scots and Welsh, We are still the UK?

If he fails to make the referendum locked as to that all 4 Countries of the UK must vote to leave, then if the result is to leave, Nicola Sturgeon has already indicated that could be a change to trigger off another independence referendum in Scotland.

He has many headaches to come on this referendum for sure.

He would bring about a constitutional crisis if he imposes on Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland, the leaving of the EU even if they voted to stay.
It would be even worse,if they voted heavily to stay in,but the South of England voted to leave.
The then new and greater divisions in the UK in that scenario would be massive.

He also needs to do, what the Scots did in the independence referendum, allow those aged 16 and 17 to vote in it too.

It is going to be over 40 years since the last Europe referendum issue was held, it would be wrong,in my view, not to allow those aged 16 and 17 by the time of the referendum, not to have their say as to the future of the UK and the EU.
They are after all, the future of the UK.

I really think he hoped he could get out of this, by not having a majority and blaming same on a coalition situation again.
Now he has a small majority and further that Labour have now said they will vote for a referendum, he really has to get this 100% spot on.
No room for any error or poor procrastination on this one,or he could yet still be the Prime Minister of the UK, who failed to keep the UK in the EU and also who finally split the UK as well into breaking up.

He gambled hard with this referendum policy, he has to ensure he wins on all counts,not just some.
I wouldn't like to be in his place as to this,then again I wouldn't have gone down the road he has.

This may yet turn into his absolute worst nightmare scenario and now with Labour supporting his referendum, he has no way out of it either.

Ah I see, he won't have the backing of the media either as he did in the election as Murdock won't give a rats if we're in or out. :/

"allow those aged 16 and 17 to vote in it too."

so what Joey
England is not part of SNP Scotland


In the UK is was a flash in the pan
Labour policy.

They lost


Conservatives set the Rules now
not your sad party

If he wants to leave anything open to criticism that he tried to 'engineer' a result, then he will not give 16 and 17 year old's the vote for this.
However,he is gambling heavily with their and the UK citizens futures.

Even worse would be, if he brings the referendum bill to parliament,without giving the vote to 16 and 17 year old's, then the opposition parties put forward an amendment to the bill for them to be included.
If he then ensures defeat for that amendment, he will be in very deep water once the result is announced,if it is a vote to leave the EU.

Also this referendum is not just about England either arista, it is for the whole UK and we have 4 Nations making up the UK.

If he presides over a result where Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland vote to stay in, the North of England votes narrowly to stay in too but the far South vote to come out heavily.
If he really takes the UK out of the EU against the wishes of the other Nations of the whole UK, he will open up, not a can or worms but the deadliest snakes imaginable.

He will have chaos in the UK,if he only gears this, as you seem to think he should, just to please those from the far South of England who are in effect, the only people who elect him to govt. across the whole UK.

He himself allowed the precedent to be set for those aged 16 and 17, when he allowed the Scots to include them in their independence referendum and therefore those young people's future.

If on the future of the UK in the EU, he now excludes those young people from having their say too in the EU referendum,he will leave himself and his govt. totally discredited as to fairness, and in fact, as to the likely legitimacy of the EU referendum at all.

He is not,as you would maybe like him to be, just Prime Minister of England,he is PM of the whole 4 nations of the UK and if he disregards their wishes as to his referendum, he goes down a very dangerous path indeed,taking the whole UK with him too.

Which if it goes really wrong, will all be firmly laid at his door, no one elses.
He had to approve the wording and method of the independence referendum in Scotland, so Scotland,Wales and N.Ireland should be afforded the same courtesy as to their wishes on this EU referendum too.

As I said, this could yet become his and indeed the UK's. worst nightmare in the whole history of the United Kingdom,(outside of world wars), if he gets just one tiny part of the planning wrong.

Who will this benefit in or out?...

'The government has ruled out extending the right to vote in the upcoming EU referendum to all British citizens living abroad, despite a promise made by the Conservative party chairman that it would.

The EU referendum bill, which will be announced after the Queen’s speech on Wednesday, will make clear that the franchise – the people eligible to vote – will be the same as in general elections, which is adults from the age of 18, Irish and Commonwealth citizens resident in the UK, and British citizens who have lived abroad for less than 15 years.'

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/...itizens-abroad

[he is PM of the whole 4 nations of the UK]

Of Course he is PM of the whole of UK

but in Political terms SNP run Scotland
just one MP each of the 3 other parties

Kizzy, he has a long way to go on this yet, wait until it comes to parliament for its readings, he will likely wish he had never promised one.

A lot at stake here,it's not like in Harold Wilson's,Labour referendum on the common market.
No matter the result then, there were no Scottish or Welsh assemblies and no threat to the UK as a whole.

With this one however, there could be a massive constitutional crisis if it is a 'no' vote from only one Country of the UK or even moreso just the far South of that Country too.
There are also going to be Conservative MPs fighting for and others against staying in, as there will be from Labour too, although far less wanting out from Labour.

He can have no certainties as to this and the outcome of it either,it is also going to consume politics and his govt. for at least the next 2 years.
If he decides to also hold the referendum earlier than 2017, and gets a vote to leave the EU, again he will be massively criticised for not allowing the EU nations,the promised time to consider his re-negotiations.

As I said, I would hate to be him before this referendum, during it and especially after it.
No wonder his heroine,Margaret Thatcher, wouldn't even ever consider one on any issue.

Its going to be interesting. The SNP are pro europe, same with the Welsh. The only party not pro europe are UKIP and we know that they are capable of getting at least 4 million votes.

It will have to be a free vote however (ie parties not whipped) so we will get for and against in every party which equals divides within parties for the next 2 years. If parties are divided on one issue it will spill out into others too. It could easily be a parliament where literally nothing gets done until the referendum is out the way.

They couldn't hold the independence referendum until the UK govt. passed same.
They govern Scotland on a wide range of policy,they don't rule it, that is still done by the UK govt. even if the SNP had all 59 seats in Scotland.

The Scots and the SNP for instance cannot word the EU referendum for themselves, that will,or should be,agreed by consensus sought from the UK govt.

JOEY

SNP have confirmed not this term


Yes they are under UK Control

But Politically its SNP


My mate the PM David
is busy working hard
the SNP start off later this week
should be fun in Westminster

I think you are right as to how much time this is going to take up as to govt' business.
It isn't likely to be a free vote however as it is govt. policy.
Although now, it would make no difference with Labour supporting a referendum even if he decided to do it that way.

However once it is passed in parliament, then the for and against camps of MPs from both main parties can join forces and campaign freely.

Yes, i was meaning in terms of the referendum vote itself, everyone will have to back that a referendum will take place. I just think its going to be very divisive across the whole political spectrum. Its quite uncharted territory really with both sides having such strong views. We know what it did to the conservatives before, when the gloves are off, I can't see it being any different this time.

Nicola Sturgeon has been very careful to say there is no will for another referendum on independence during this parliament.
However she always qualifies that, with if there was a major change then that could trigger the need for another.

She outlined in the debates, that if there is no lock on the EU referendum that at least 3 and preferably all Nations of the UK have to vote to leave the EU, then were the result be to leave and Scotland had voted to stay in, that would be such a trigger for a new referendum as independence.

She is always careful to add that.
I still have the feeling she will ask in the Scottish elections next year,in the SNP manifesto, for the 'option' to seek another referendum if circumstances bring about major constitutional change.
Which is exactly what the UK,EU referendum,would do in the event of a vote to leave the EU,which Scotland is strongly opposed to doing.

I think you are allowing yourself to be blinded by Nicola Sturgeon as to how devious she can really be.
She is a formidable opponent and master of manipulation in getting what she wants.
David Cameron,I doubt, will ever be able to get one over on her.

Absolutely, especially even moreso if the result looks like being a close one by the voters too.
If he thought coalition govt. was hard, he hasn't likely seen nothing yet.

delighted democracy has finally overcome the evil scum of new labour and given the people the democratic choice. now lets get into the detail

labour are a pro eu, pro cheap labour party, they hate the working class, like the torys, they live in posh houses, in london, they shot racist if someone says that they would not live next door to romanians, but they would change there tune very quickly, if they moved next door to their posh area,

lord falconer just blamed the snp for labours defeat....what a twat