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Liam- 11-06-2015 11:35 AM

The fact is, if he had spoken to my sisters, or any female in my family the way he has spoken to the women in there, I'd be going insane and wanting his balls on a platter and I'd be surprised if no-one else thought the same.

Jason. 11-06-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7868636)
:hehe:

Harry gets less slack than marc when she can be just as horrible tbh but because she is going against a male she gets away with it.

And Harry gets a lot of flack because she questioned Sam and is therefore exposed to being called offensive terms such as "skank" and "slut". When if that was Danny and Joel doing it, nobody would bat an eyelid.

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7868643)
The fact is, if he had spoken to my sisters, or any female in my family the way he has spoken to the women in there, I'd be going insane and wanting his balls on a platter and I'd be surprised if no-one else thought the same.

The fact is if he behaved like that where there were no cameras he'd have been knocked unconscious by now.

Kazanne 11-06-2015 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7868636)
:hehe:

Harry gets less slack than marc when she can be just as horrible tbh but because she is going against a male she gets away with it.

Harry has the advantage of having tits and displaying them,Marc cant compete with that and its a must for some!!:hehe:

Kazanne 11-06-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7868647)
The fact is if he behaved like that where there were no cameras he'd have been knocked unconscious by now.

:joker::joker::joker: so you are worse than you claim he is:joker::joker::joker:and a coward,why wait till no cameras about?

Liam- 11-06-2015 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7868649)
Harry has the advantage of having tits and displaying them,Marc cant compete with that and its a must for some!!:hehe:

Again, tits don't interest me, but keep trying to discredit people's support of Harry by all means if it makes you feel better about supporting Marc :hehe:

Tarryn 11-06-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7868649)
Harry has the advantage of having tits and displaying them,Marc cant compete with that and its a must for some!!:hehe:

No, he just covers his private parts in baking foil !
Really normal behaviour for a grown man (!).
I'm not defending Harry but come on, Marc is disgusting human being with a vile mouth.
Any other HM in BB history would have been ejected by now.

Josy 11-06-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7868635)
That's like criticizing a man being punched repeatedly for knocking the person out who did it.



It's all said in reaction to his bullying behaviour towards her. Which you continue to either deny or justify.




Yes, because he's a man. Men and women are different. Men are more physically intimidating, stronger and far more likely to cause serious damage to a person.

It's not like saying that that no, it's saying exactly what I posted..

I don't justify any bullying behaviour because there is none and the people in charge at BB obviously agree or there would have been a warning given out for 'bullying', what I can see is two housemates that are equally as horrible to and about each other yet one is getting accused of bullying because he is male and the other has their behaviour excuse because she's female.

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7868636)
:hehe:

Harry gets less slack than marc when she can be just as horrible tbh but because she is going against a male she gets away with it.

True.

Beso 11-06-2015 11:39 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7868641)
He never said anything racist :umm2:

oh yes he did.

He called her dirty and a pig just before warning her to keep her dirty knacker mouth shut.

Go ask your irish friends what a knacker is.

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by DrunkerThanMoses (Post 7868639)
I dont believe he is bullying her, in the situation of the so called "masterbationgate" I think he singled her out when others were involved (Danny and Christian), but I don't think it is bullying.

So there's one example. Another example is the way he was laughing when he thought the wish he was reading out was Danny's and it turned out to be Harry's. He has also repeatedly called her a pig, thick, dangerous, stinking and smelly. This is not coming from a man who likes her and is bantering with her, it comes from a man who pretty much controls the whole house and who has made it clear he would destroy her if he could.


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She has been a bitch to him as well. I don't particularly care for either one and I think both are as bad as one another. The sooner the both go the better so we can finally have less off 90% Marc and Harry show on highlights.
How has she been bad? Has she received multiple warnings? Did she almost start a fight on the first night? Has she had people repeatedly tell her to stop with the sexually explicit comments? Almost everything she has said about Marc or to him has been in response to his behaviour which has been on display since the moment he stepped into the house. Yet, somehow she's as bad as him? This is ridiculous.

Kazanne 11-06-2015 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7868654)
Again, tits don't interest me, but keep trying to discredit people's support of Harry by all means if it makes you feel better about supporting Marc :hehe:

I wasn't directing it at you,just some people in general,dont be so sensitive,You can love harry all you want,but we can still comment on her

Pete. 11-06-2015 11:41 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868658)
oh yes he did.

He called her dirty and a pig just before warning her to keep her dirty knacker mouth shut.

Go ask your irish friends what a knacker is.

Spill?

LukeB 11-06-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868658)
oh yes he did.

He called her dirty and a pig just before warning her to keep her dirty knacker mouth shut.

Go ask your irish friends what a knacker is.

That's xenophobia
Harry also used marc's nationality for an insult so there you go both are bad as each other

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 11:43 AM

knacker
Irish term of affection for general scum (low lifes). Originally originating from a term of reference for travellers. But nowadays covering whole spectrum of degenerates. Inbreeding is commonplace and your mother can often be your sister.

Beso 11-06-2015 11:44 AM

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Originally Posted by LukeB (Post 7868665)
That's xenophobia
Harry also used marc's nationality for an insult so there you go both are bad as each other

no it's a racist slur as it has connectations that he thinks and classes all gypsys as dirty.

Beso 11-06-2015 11:45 AM

sooooo.
the racist slur
threatening to kill danny
cum bucket
fat pig
baggy fanny
tossing hms about
waving cock at hms


have i missed anything?

Tarryn 11-06-2015 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868671)
sooooo.
the racist slur
threatening to kill danny
cum bucket
fat pig
baggy fanny
tossing hms about
waving cock at hms


have i missed anything?

I know, it makes Aaron being ejected look almost trivial.
BB's double standards are beyond words.

sampvt 11-06-2015 11:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 7868654)
Again, tits don't interest me, but keep trying to discredit people's support of Harry by all means if it makes you feel better about supporting Marc :hehe:

Hey Liam....I don't like her either, she is a slag and a dangerous lowlife with no morals and the social values of a tramp, do you wanna have a go at me now, or do you class me as a bully as well. grow up and smell the coffee, she is a tart and Marc is taking her to the school of slapped arses and she don't like it that's why she constantly vents and stabs him in the back. Hardly a recipe for a nice girl is it, or are you just picking her to have someone to champion and wind people up with.

Pete. 11-06-2015 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868671)
sooooo.
the racist slur
threatening to kill danny
cum bucket
fat pig
baggy fanny
tossing hms about
waving cock at hms


have i missed anything?

Chloe's STD test

Liam- 11-06-2015 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7868679)
Hey Liam....I don't like her either, she is a slag and a dangerous lowlife with no morals and the social values of a tramp, do you wanna have a go at me now, or do you class me as a bully as well. grow up and smell the coffee, she is a tart and Marc is taking her to the school of slapped arses and she don't like it that's why she constantly vents and stabs him in the back. Hardly a recipe for a nice girl is it, or are you just picking her to have someone to champion and wind people up with.

A. I didn't have a go at anyone
B. Please drop the attitude
C. I don't favour people just to 'wind people up'
D. Why would I class you as a bully? idgi

Tarryn 11-06-2015 11:55 AM

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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7868679)
Hey Liam....I don't like her either, she is a slag and a dangerous lowlife with no morals and the social values of a tramp, do you wanna have a go at me now, or do you class me as a bully as well. grow up and smell the coffee, she is a tart and Marc is taking her to the school of slapped arses and she don't like it that's why she constantly vents and stabs him in the back. Hardly a recipe for a nice girl is it, or are you just picking her to have someone to champion and wind people up with.

But you don't have to like Harry to see just how bad Marc's behaviour is.
He is not "Taking her to school" but saying disgusting & vile things that no sane person would ever utter.
Harry is allowed to answer back to him. Why should she just take whatever he has to say to her.
The other HM's are terrified of Marc. They just sit there hoping he does not start on them. Take Danny for example, stood up to him on the first night but since then has stood back & let Marc take over the house. He is spineless.
He could have played it so much better by really standing up to him. But he is too scared.
Harry is not scared of Marc, & he knows this.
Which is why he wants her out.

Rorkimaru 11-06-2015 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868613)
whilst in an agitated state and whilst calling her dirty etc, he also told her she was a dirty knacker...which is another word for gypsy in ireland.


So yes, that was, in this instance, a racist comment....but keep sweeping these things under the carpet cause he is soooooooooooooooo entertaining.:sleep:

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868637)
the racist bit is fact.

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868658)
oh yes he did.

He called her dirty and a pig just before warning her to keep her dirty knacker mouth shut.

Go ask your irish friends what a knacker is.

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868668)
no it's a racist slur as it has connectations that he thinks and classes all gypsys as dirty.

Irish here, from roughly the region Mark is from. It is not a racist term here. It has racial origins but hasn't had racist connotations in common usage for over a decade. Personally I avoid the word because of it's history but Mark's usage had absolutely no racial connotations. The word literally doesn't mean member of the traveling community to him, or me.

Beso 11-06-2015 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorkimaru (Post 7868701)
Irish here, from roughly the region Mark is from. It is not a racist term here. It has racial origins but hasn't had racist connotations in common usage for over a decade. Personally I avoid the word because of it's history but Mark's usage had absolutely no racial connotations. The word literally doesn't mean member of the traveling community to him, or me.

you may paint it up however you want, you wont change my mind..it was a racist remark, and i was offended.

jennyjuniper 11-06-2015 12:18 PM

No I don't believe so. They are both antagonistic. Marc's shows in snide remarks usually to her face, whereas Harry's snide remarks are to other people.
To me bullying is when the person being bullied is afraid of the other person or persons, but Harry shows no sign of this. On the contrary a couple of times lately she has tried to instigate a quarrel. If she is isolated, much of it is her own doing.

Rorkimaru 11-06-2015 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868713)
you may paint it up however you want, you wont change my mind..it was a racist remark, and i was offended.

You can be offended all you like but that doesn't make it racist. I'm a 5 minute drive from where Mark grew up. I know what the language means and regardless of whether or not you're getting offended by it, it wasn't racist.

If you want to discuss a racist comment how about Harry calling him an Irish *****. Do you think she meant anything other than Irish when she was using the word to augment that insult? If you're offended by racism be offended by that.

Amy Jade 11-06-2015 01:22 PM

Yes 100%

Beso 11-06-2015 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Rorkimaru (Post 7868781)
You can be offended all you like but that doesn't make it racist. I'm a 5 minute drive from where Mark grew up. I know what the language means and regardless of whether or not you're getting offended by it, it wasn't racist.

If you want to discuss a racist comment how about Harry calling him an Irish *****. Do you think she meant anything other than Irish when she was using the word to augment that insult? If you're offended by racism be offended by that.

On another thread you concede that people still use it to refer to gypsy's...like marc was.

Amy Jade 11-06-2015 01:37 PM

parmnion :worship:

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by sampvt (Post 7868679)
Hey Liam....I don't like her either, she is a slag and a dangerous lowlife with no morals and the social values of a tramp, do you wanna have a go at me now, or do you class me as a bully as well.

If you were repeatedly saying that to her or about her whilst living with her and getting others to join in, then yes, you'd be a bully. Saying it on an internet forum is slightly different. Obviously.


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grow up and smell the coffee, she is a tart and Marc is taking her to the school of slapped arses.
If there's a case to be made against her, then make the case. Calling someone a pig, bitch, disgusting, creature, smelly and stinking is just awful behaviour towards another person who you as well as others have to live with. It is utterly selfish and nasty.

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by jennyjuniper (Post 7868714)
No I don't believe so. They are both antagonistic. Marc's shows in snide remarks usually to her face, whereas Harry's snide remarks are to other people.
To me bullying is when the person being bullied is afraid of the other person or persons, but Harry shows no sign of this.

By that logic, a fearless person might be overpowered by another and have his head shoved down a toilet. Is it not bullying because they at no point were scared?


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On the contrary a couple of times lately she has tried to instigate a quarrel. If she is isolated, much of it is her own doing.

Blaming the victim. Well played Marc. Producer's Pet. Got the house and the viewers wrapped around your little finger.

Tarryn 11-06-2015 01:41 PM

So if Harry deserves the abuse she get's from Marc because she is a tart or slut then why is Marc not doing the same to Jade ?.
Jade openly admits to putting it about.

Robodog 11-06-2015 01:45 PM

He's def not bullying her.

He rips the p*ss out of everyone in there equally, he just dislikes Harry more than others.

I wasn't sure why he disliked her, until I saw her angry rant with Nick, saying Marc should be scared of her etc.

Then I realised there was a very angry Harry hiding behind the flimsy one-week mask of a super-friendly Harry. So Marc was right to notice that and fair enough he took a dislike to her fake friendliness.

Like Marc said, he'd just keep away her in real life, but in BB you cannot run. Especially when everyday there are BB tasks designed to cause conflict.

As usual - if anyone's the bullying sh*t stirrer - it's BB !

The fact BB even chose characters like Marc and Harry as the new HMs shows that they want this type of conflict for the show!And here it is !

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Margarine. 11-06-2015 01:45 PM

lmao this forum is hilarious at times :joker:

the answer to this question is no

andybigbro 11-06-2015 01:49 PM

No it's not bullying. They just don't get along.

That word gets fired far too much, people don't like each other and they argue. They have both insulted each other using very harsh words.

LukeB 11-06-2015 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by andybigbro (Post 7868861)
No it's not bullying. They just don't get along.

That word gets fired far too much, people don't like each other and they argue. They have both insulted each other using very harsh words.

Yeah this

I have got bullied myself and I don't see Marc as a bully.

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 01:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Robodog (Post 7868850)
He's def not bullying her.

He rips the p*ss out of everyone in there equally, he just dislikes Harry more than others.

There's clearly a big difference between the banter and the insulting remarks he dishes out towards/about Harry.

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I wasn't sure why he disliked her, until I saw her angry rant with Nick, saying Marc should be scared of her etc.
Said in response to the way he has been treating her. It's amazing isn't it. A person who is responding to a situation created by the bully boy is the one to blame for everything.

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Then I realised there was a very angry Harry hiding behind the flimsy one-week mask of a super-friendly Harry. So Marc was right to notice that and fair enough he took a dislike to her fake friendliness.
Why shouldn't she be angry when a man is repeatedly calling her ugly, a pig, smelly, stinking, disgusting, dangerous etc... Would you be happy with that? If someone did that to a friend of mine I'd thump him.

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Like Marc said, he'd just keep away her in real life, but in BB you cannot run. Especially when everyday there are BB tasks designed to cause conflict.

As usual - if anyone's the bullying sh*t stirrer - it's BB !

The fact BB even chose characters like Marc and Harry as the new HMs shows that they want this type of conflict for the show!And here it is !
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The fact BB is now a place for bullies to triumph is just another nail in its coffin.

Kazanne 11-06-2015 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Beetlejuice (Post 7868872)
There's clearly a big difference between the banter and the insulting remarks he dishes out towards/about Harry.



Said in response to the way he has been treating her. It's amazing isn't it. A person who is responding to a situation created by the bully boy is the one to blame for everything.



Why shouldn't she be angry when a man is repeatedly calling her ugly, a pig, smell, stinking, disgusting, dangerous etc... Would you be happy with that?



The fact BB is now a place for bullies to triumph is just another nail in its coffin.

So why are you watching then? If you think its so terrible switch off,which I am sure you said you had done a while ago:laugh:

Rorkimaru 11-06-2015 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7868802)
On another thread you concede that people still use it to refer to gypsy's...like marc was.

In the other thread I was told that people at the far end of the country still use it in that context but I'm not talking about the opposite side of Ireland, I'm talking about a couple of minutes down the road which I know fairly well. There's a fair difference in colloquial language between Dublin and Cork.

Beetlejuice 11-06-2015 01:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 7868881)
So why are you watching then? If you think its so terrible switch off,which I am sure you said you had done a while ago:laugh:

Oh FFS... Can you actually debate a point? Instead of going on about people switching off because they don't like something.

Livia 11-06-2015 02:02 PM

I think whatever's happening, Harry can take care of herself. Anyway, sick of the word "bully" this season, it's been bandied about more than ever.


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