Well putting producer manipulation which is inevitable aside, if it played out normally, Marc would go and would probably have gone already. I mean the biggest evidence for my argument is Jade, three days ago there's no way she'd have stood a chance of leaving since she's been invisible the last couple of weeks, but since the thing with Brian started up and her argument with Cristian, she was evicted because of it. If you do nothing, you don't go anywhere. If that's not counter productive I don't know what is.

As for the bit in bold that's probably the easiest game ever so much that it's barely even a game. Befriending people and being nice to others is easy, it comes naturally to well, 99% of people. You don't even have to try. So you don't get put up, and even if you do you've not pissed the public off to want to evict you. Under these rules the people whom are annoying the housemates go up and most of the time get evicted, and while that may be great for the housemates, it's not great for the viewers.

On a side note - I've had a discussion with you before where you've said you don't like BBUK being about a 'game'. And to be honest, a 'game' in BBUK doesn't really exist as I've just explained because it's just making friends with each other. Let's adopt the US format and see a real game of social interaction play out, because that's where you have to be clever in getting people on your side but shafting them at the same time.

Perfect if Chloe wasn't a nothing character maybe, but for the most part she is

And I never buy into this argument that we should take a punt on letting some other people have a go at developing new storylines. Why evict someone who is consistent at the expense of someone who ~may~ just be coming into their own but may just fade into the background again (e.g. the Cristian vs Jade debates this week)? That's not worth the risk to be quite honest

Gameplay within the house definitely exists, or at least it did at one point when there was actually a consistent nomination process. Lisa Wallace slithering her way to the final week was a thing of beauty <3

Which series was it that the save , was it last year when it wens back to evict?

If it's save , there was no why jade would have gone, I think chole would have gone

But now she (chole) will win the show

Quality over quantity, I've probably enjoyed Chloe the most out of anyone this series but that really doesn't say much.

And I definitely buy into that argument when we've been watching the same repetitive **** on loop with Marc for what feels like months now. It's no coincidence at all that the show went to **** as soon as the intruders came in.

VTS keeps 'big characters' in which take over the show and stifle development in the house most of the time (Perez and Katie Hopkins in CBB is the perfect example of this). The only time I was in favour of VTS was during BB13 because Deana wouldn't have lasted as long (and finding out Ashleigh somehow had more fans than Scott lol).

And 'big characters' can still survive with VTE, see Gina and Dexter in BB14

You're wrong.

If last night was a VTS, Harry would've went.

Chloe - She's well liked, and has a lot of support. You say she will win. That's because she has the support. Therefore, if people will vote for her to win, they will also vote her to stay.
Jade - Entertaining.
Cristian - Good looking male. Eye candy vote.

I know it sounds like I'm arguing but i do understand what you're saying..

I think our difference of opinion is because we watch the show differently.. You watch it as an entertainment show and I agree that vts would keep the 'entertaining' ones in longer.. I watch it as a reality show, and to me, vts gets rid of any 'real' element because it's just a show of people being as loud as possible and that's no fun for me to watch

Take sallie axl for example (is that her name, the **** who lost to Gina) she basically said in her interview that she was purposely being loud and brassy because she thought it was vts.. She deliberately wasn't acting 'real'.. It wouldn't be fun for me to watch if people acted like her more often because of vts