not a hope of winning - hope he keeps digging his own grave.

If Joel wins then it will be deserved..I don't think he has put a foot wrong so far including his tacit support for Helen.

Joel's mum is probably a lovely lady.

Personally it was dug weeks ago.

It's quality what counts,NOT quantity,Joel can be friends with who he likes.

your reply makes no sense.....joel is mates with the 2 most evil people to ever enter the house....and you call that quality ? lol

Sad you can even think that, we have seen barely 10 minutes of his Mother, so if you were a housemate and your Mum was allowed to come in and give some encouragement to you, you would be really happy to think she would then get the attacks and nasty put downs you are giving Joel's Mum.

As I said, really time to part company there then,no point in trying to reason at all.
I know 100%, I would hate to think my Mum would get such treatment for a very brief appearance on a reality show for goodness sake.

id be delighted if you could point out where i 'attacked' or gave a 'nasty put down' to joels mother. The woman came on the show....bigged her son up, then bigged up the nasty bully standing beside him - hope she is regretting bigging up a bully now. I have every right to comment on her - as she was in the bb house. She choose to have her say on national tv - i chose to have my say on the forum. :laugh: Again, would be delighted to see where I attacked her on here if you could point that out it would be fabulous.

Your put downs as to how she controls her son,which you have no idea of, your inability to see that she has watched the show and knows Marc has never said a bad thing about her Son or done anything against him.
You then put her down for supporting a bully,when all she did was thank him for looking out for him after the bunker task.

None of which in my view are appropriate or even correct and you were the one who also chose to describe her as his Mother as fair game to be got at after her very brief appearance in the house,not me.

She is probably for all you know a brilliant Mother and he a really good Son to her too.
Values you seem to infer they either don't have and need criticising for as to any influence one may have with the other.

I repeat,I would not like at all my Mother classed as fair game,(what a term), by anyone who didn't know anything about her at all really for just doing an invited and very brief appearance on a reality TV show.

He's an unintelligent little follower who can't think for himself!
It should be him going this week.

[:shocked:QUOTE=HBB1508;7926531]He's just following Mummy's orders - she directed him to stick with Mark by plonking that fake kiss on Mark's cheek and he is just doing what he is told!!! In my opinion of course!![/QUOTE]

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You got that right..
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lol you call me commenting on what his mother actually did being 'nasty' - wow what must you think of helen and marc and their lapdog - :joker:

I see mumsy was back in front of the cameras last night - she might be better if she stayed away....doing her licckl son no favors.

Kazanne that's your opinion...it's not mine.
She is intimidating...and that's not credit!!...also there is nothing nasty on here. This is a topic on Joel..nothing nasty just opinions.

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Unintentionally maybe. But Joel's mum remark to Marc has killed his hope of winning. Joel got sucked in.

He was the only HM who did not grate on me UNTIL the legends came in.
Now he just seems to follow them around & is kind of ignoring his old friends.
Am I the only one who does not really like anybody in that house :shrug:

I think you were wrong to call his Mother fair game,yes.

Also yes I do think Helen and Marc are nasty and go way over the top at times.
In fact there are at least 3 now rather nasty people in there,in my view.
I have said that plenty in my posts on here.

I do not see someone being friendly with near all in the house as anyones lapdog.

You see him negatively even to deriding his Mother, I don't, I see him positively.
You can only keep pulling me up on daft petty things and I do think, with respect, we have really exhausted the point of carrying on as to that now.

No.

I am now just going on who is the least worse. Been an mediocre bunch this year.

Bubye
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no, none of them do anything for me. Maybe if they were left alone originally it might have been a better show. We don't have a chance to get to know their personalities before the whole theme changes.