Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955303)

I've just watched the first part of episode (didn't see it last night) and Marc was the main antagonizer by far. It started off with Marc saying he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 7955410)

Ive heard him being sexist, racist, homophobic and sizest as well as ageist.

Originally Posted by BB1984 (Post 7955403)

Marc has no one to back him up, there are a group of people in the house who are gunning for him. He has to contend with 2,3,4 sometimes 5 people in a single argument.

So is it okay for the HM's to try ostracise someone who is answering back when their are arguements?

Originally Posted by BB1984 (Post 7955405)

I am sure people would still complain if Marc did engage her in a discussion/arguement. Can he do anything right in some people's eyes?

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955443)

No -one (except Ash, who is leaving soon) is 'gunning' for him. They are all rather nice non - confrontational people, tbf. If Mark didn't antagonize, he wouldn't have a problem. When he isn't being a dick, he and Danny even get on.

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7955427)

No, it didn't.

You've missed the most crucial part where Charley asked Marc the question: "You don't like Aisleyne, do you" and he said "I don't like people being spiteful to me". He was answering a question that Charley had asked. He didn't just pluck it from thin air. Danny jumped into the conversation that had nothing to do with him. Marc was simply answering a question.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955449)

He didn't need to have a discussion or argument with her. 'I was wrong to say that' would have sufficed.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955378)

When Chloe tackles him about his 'at least I'm educated' insults, he NOW decides to walk away from it because it suits HIM, (another form of goading when he could just have said "I was wrong to say that") whereas earlier he didn't give a hoot about the task and kept sniping away when everyone else had stopped, ignoring Christians pleas to put an end to it.
I have yet to see this awful 'picking on him all day stuff' that some are talking about? :conf:

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955303)

I've just watched the first part of episode (didn't see it last night) and Marc was the main antagonizer by far. It started off with Marc saying he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him -

Danny - "now you know how we feel"
Laugher..
Marc - "Just because you're dicking her doesn't mean you have to stick up for her" (which he wasn't anyway)
Charley "He's not having sex with her!"
Danny "You guys talk about dicking everyone who ****ing arrives in this house"
Marc "Ahh, look at you going mad, look at you going mad"
Danny "You're a dick mate"
Marc "At least I can spell, at least I have had an education"

Then Ash barges in wanting to know what is wrong and Danny says "Nothing, it's nothing". Then Ash calls him a smug bastard etc and is actually the only one of them all who says anything to him without being specifically provoked first.

Then Marc to Danny "Okay just because you want to be a defender again, at least I don't have to shack up with someone"...(murmur murmur)
Danny "Every time a bird comes in it's 'put me in your column' (that's what it sounded like...don't know if it was...
Marc "hahahhahhahahahah"

Then Ash starts again and Danny pulls her away.
Mark kept making remarks when everyone else had stopped and Christian was asking him over and over not to. He gets in a parting shot to Danny over something about getting the money.

The only one picking at Marc was Ash, and he gave worse back, otherwise it was Marc doing most of the antagonizing and others REACTING.

It's a good example of how he operates, I 'tink'. lol

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7955473)

This is actually really interesting to see written down, I thought it was a lot more even than that. But it looks like he first argument was started by Marc too (the 2nd definitely was)

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7955427)

No, it didn't.

You've missed the most crucial part where Charley asked Marc the question: "You don't like Aisleyne, do you" and he said "I don't like people being spiteful to me". He was answering a question that Charley had asked. He didn't just pluck it from thin air. Danny jumped into the conversation that had nothing to do with him. Marc was simply answering a question.

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7955494)

I can see why Marc feels like banging his head against a brick wall. How can you make this judgement based on half baked truths?

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955603)

I know Charley asked him if he liked her. Does it matter? (I've edited my post seeing you think it's important) Marc is allowed to say he feels Ash is spiteful towards him whether he's asked or not. That wasn't the crucial part to me, nor was his answer at that point. He said he didn't like her being spiteful to him and Danny said 'now you know how we feel' which imo was quite funny. :hehe: The part that actually got nasty and started the argument imo was Marc saying to Danny he didn't have to stick up for her just because he was dicking her which was a lie and not fair on Ash who wasn't there to defend herself. That's when it all took off. Up to then it the convo was fair enough....as I said Marc is allowed to feel Ash was spiteful and Danny is allowed to feel that Marc is the same...and it should have ended there but for Marc's goading.
I'm not a supporter of either Marc or Danny. In fact I'm not a supporter of any of them this year so I'm impartial. I just can't stand anyone goading and then when they get a reaction having a glint of pleasure in their eyes and even smiling in triumph. Marc does this.

Originally Posted by BB1984 (Post 7955453)

They get along fine presumably as we only see roughly a hour each day. Until Danny decides to get in his face & the rest of the house will blame Marc as usual.
Even Harry sees what is going on.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7955732)

Chloe does it too. In fact, team smug openly boast about and plan their attacks on bullied Marc.

Originally Posted by Smash the Clique (Post 7954842)

Why do you think Aisleyne and Danny have resorted to physical threats against Marc? Because they have neither the intelligence nor the vocabulary to possibly get the better of Marc in a verbal argument.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955603)

I know Charley asked him if he liked her. Does it matter? (I've edited my post seeing you think it's important) Marc is allowed to say he feels Ash is spiteful towards him whether he's asked or not. That wasn't the crucial part to me, nor was his answer at that point. He said he didn't like her being spiteful to him and Danny said 'now you know how we feel' which imo was quite funny. :hehe: The part that actually got nasty and started the argument imo was Marc saying to Danny he didn't have to stick up for her just because he was dicking her which was a lie and not fair on Ash who wasn't there to defend herself. That's when it all took off. Up to then it the convo was fair enough....as I said Marc is allowed to feel Ash was spiteful and Danny is allowed to feel that Marc is the same...and it should have ended there but for Marc's goading.
I'm not a supporter of either Marc or Danny. In fact I'm not a supporter of any of them this year so I'm impartial. I just can't stand anyone goading and then when they get a reaction having a glint of pleasure in their eyes and even smiling in triumph. Marc does this.

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 7955648)

after reading the script, it was clear that Marc started the argument? Did you read the same script that I was referring to? I would struggle to see how you could come up with a different conclusion but I would like to hear it if you did.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7955865)

What intelligence and vocabulary? Throwing insults around and goading people doesn't need anything other than a cruel mind set and a disregard for the feelings of others. If Marc's that intelligent, he would save his 'banter' for those who appreciate it and not make enemies of those that don't. Having most of the house nominating you and disliking you doesn't show much intelligence, does it? :laugh:

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7956473)

When I said half baked truths, I was referring to the fact that you commented on Jet's post when he didn't post the full transcript of what happened. He missed off the part where Marc was simply responding to Charley's question and I think it shed a whole light on the fact that Marc didn't just have a go at Aisleyne for nothing.

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7956473)

When I said half baked truths, I was referring to the fact that you commented on Jet's post when he didn't post the full transcript of what happened. He missed off the part where Marc was simply responding to Charley's question and I think it shed a whole light on the fact that Marc didn't just have a go at Aisleyne for nothing.

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7956472)

Indeed he is, but in the context of it all, Marc wasn't the first one to open his mouth about Aisleyne (like your post suggested). If Charley hadn't asked the question, Danny wouldn't have jumped in with a rude remark and the argument would never have happened. He was asked what he thought about Aisleyne and he replied...which then prompted the lone ranger (Danny) to butt into another conversation that he had no business interfering in. The part that got nasty was when Danny actually said to Marc: "fkuc me, now you know how we feel' - It was an obvious dig at Marc which prompted Marc to retaliate. He wasn't even speaking to Danny until he stuck his oar in, so I fail to see how it was any of Marcs fault. I don't understand why people can't see this. and what does Aisleyne not being there when Charley addressed a question to Marc have to do with anything? Must all housemates be present whenever two people are asking each other questions about the others?

All Marc was doing was sticking up for himself when being attacked. There's really nothing else to it.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7956540)

Nobody said he did, so it shed light on nothing. I was simply relaying the convo and mistakenly left a bit out which I then edited in when it was pointed out. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7956613)

...but the first part of your post (now edited) implied that he did when he didn't. How convenient to leave a question off which promted Marc's answer and Danny's response.

Original paragraph of your now edited post:
"I've just watched the first part of episode (didn't see it last night) and Marc was the main antagonizer by far. It started off with Marc saying he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him"

Marc didn't even say he didn't like Aisleyne. All he said was that he didn't like her being spiteful to him. Jesus

Originally Posted by sarah2020 (Post 7956716)

Im sorry but I love watching Marc and it is mostly watching how he goads others and they show their true colors.

Originally Posted by sarah2020 (Post 7956716)

Im sorry but I love watching Marc and it is mostly watching how he goads others and they show their true colors. The house would have been dull without him. He also makes me laugh and is so quick witted and that drives the house even more mad.

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7956766)

I love how marc has drawn the housemate's true personalities out of them.

My fear now though is that every series is going to need that kind of intervention because people just try and fly under the radar and form a nice little getalong gang.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7956815)

I don't think he brings out their true personalities at all. I think he brings out the worst in people which is only a small part of a whole personality. Why would anyone just want to see the worst in people?

Originally Posted by Petemitch (Post 7954482)

The shameless bullying of Harry in the first 2 weeks as well
Saying vile comments to Sam which was just past off as 'banter'

Originally Posted by jet (Post 7956703)

I was relaying the convo and that is how it started off, yes, including the piece I edited in. I didn't say the argument started at that point, that came a few sentences later, imo. I didn't omit it on purpose, I didn't think it was important so mistakenly overlooked it. I still don't think whatever Marc said about Ash's spitefulness or Danny's reply was enough to start an argument. Not by a long way. It was Marc goading Danny about dicking Ash that was nasty and the way he kept goading after it had died down. Yet you pick on a little detail and ignore the rest of Marc's goading. Way to deflect I suppose. lol
Anyway, we will just have to agree to disagree because we see it differently, which is fine.

Originally Posted by Nancy Littlebottom (Post 7957285)

You can argue till you're blue in the face but if you had relayed the conversation correctly and not started off with "Marc said he didn't like Ash because she was spiteful to him", it would have put the whole thing into perspective and the context would have been relevant. You only edited it in when I pointed it out later on.

You keep ignoring the fact that Danny stuck his oar into Charley and Marc's conversation with a nasty comment and that was what initially started the argument off in the first place, and as they despise each other it wouldn't have taken much to start an argument anyway.

I'm not excusing the fact that Marc said some awful things but he was retaliating to Danny's comment. What was he supposed to do, sit there and take it?

I'm sick of hearing people say Marc did this and Marc did that. What about what Danny did?
Marc was simply retaliating to being treat like sh!te. Danny did a fine job of goading Marc into an argument with that first comment and yet it's Marcs fault for standing up to him?

Originally Posted by ThriceShy (Post 7956766)

I love how marc has drawn the housemate's true personalities out of them.

My fear now though is that every series is going to need that kind of intervention because people just try and fly under the radar and form a nice little getalong gang.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7958031)

ummmmmmmmmmm this "nice little getalong gang" formed BECAUSE OF Marc. It was completely reactionary to the trauma of the quad eviction and having to put up with Marc's godawful personality that the show is actively endorsing.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7958050)

and Marc's antics only encouraged them to double down and solidify their bond even more. There's literally no room for forward plot movement as long as Marc is in there.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 7958050)

and Marc's antics only encouraged them to double down and solidify their bond even more. There's literally no room for forward plot movement as long as Marc is in there.