So, a normal sperm donor agreement.

He won't get involved in their lives but the agreement doesn't prevent them from finding out about him and even making contact when they're old enough.

Why anyone would want to get in contact with their biological father if they were a sperm donor is beyond me. There'd be no connection there beyond DNA. I'd value the parents that actually raised me a lot more than a random sperm donor who doesn't know and wouldn't care that I existed.

your lying....its proven fact kids from 1 parent families who have no fathers or mothers are massively disadvantaged, clearly you don't care about that

a straight couple is far more regular , frequent and natural. kids brought up by a gay couple need it explained to them where they came from otherwise they'll have massive crisis of identity. its high time we ASKED THE KIDS AND ASKED THE KIDS WHO WERE RAISED BY GAY COUPLES FOR THEIR OPINIONS INSTEAD OF HAVING THESE OPINIONS RAMMED DOWN OUR THROATS BY INTEREST GROUPS AND ACTIVISTS

I was raised by a single mother and was not disadvantaged in the slightest

I would have been worse off had my father stayed in our lives due to his lifestyle.

Don't assume you know anything about a vast and varied group of people all from very different sets of circumstances.

who are you to say what these kids should or shouldn't want ? youre trying to act like a God. IF you really cared about these kids youd want to know what the kids want and how kids brought up by gay couples especialy sperm donors think of it all

sadly it really shows

YOUre the one who assumes Im talking about the overall figures, kids overall are massively disadvantaged with a one parent family....try and drop the both chips you have and allow other kids the option of mother and father

Pardon?

Erm, what? I haven't done any such thing.

Would you like to try again?

youre bitter , let kids have both parents let them not be disadvantaged

Where have I not allowed kids to have both parents?

I'm not bitter in the slightest. :unsure: I knew my father, he just had very little to no input in my life because I was better off without him.

It's called a counter argument to your insinuation that children with one parent are massively disadvantaged. Many are not, and many who come from two parent families end up disadvantaged.

Here we go with the 'gay parents aren't normal' argument, calm yourself Mitt Romney.

It might take a man and a woman to create a child, but it doesn't take a man and a woman to raise a child, as long as said child or children are loved, then who gives a **** who's raising them?

You're telling me that every single child adopted, or conceived to a gay couple, will have an identity crisis? that's possibly the most idiotic thing I've ever seen you spout on here and that takes some doing.

The normal contractual agreement of donating sperm is that the donaters get paid to do it, but they also sign away any right of privileges over any child their sperm might happen to conceive, your idea that a child can't be raised in a household ran by a same sex couple without growing up to have issues or some sort of complexity, is staggering to say the least.

I've known people who have been adopted and when they reached a certain age, their parents gave them all the information they needed to try and locate their biological parents if they wanted to, which is the fairest way to do it, with sperm donations it's completely different, unless the sperm is personally chosen from someone the couple know, then all donations are anonymous, so with the contract and the anonymity, it would be near impossible for any donater to be tracked down, so the 'every child deserves to know their real parents' argument only really works with adoption I'm afraid.

Pop into the 21st century sometime, it's really nice here.

Oh Truth, you're so ridiculous that I can't get mad at you. I can only laugh. You're like Frankenstein's monster if it was created by the editor of the Daily Mail.

He tries so hard to be controversial I find it endearing tbh.

A couple are having two children. Why is this news tbh lmao

Why don't you go and adopt a bunch of children then? I mean, you're telling everyone else that they should be doing that instead of having children of their own, so why don't you take your own advice? Surely that would be beneficial to the 'unwanted children' (which really isn't a very nice term to use tbh).

His deliberately trying to get a reaction out of you Marsh.

I have to stop rising to it. :laugh:

So what, all kids wonder things like that. plenty of kids wonder things like "what would my life be like is my mom was angelina jolie, or what if my dad was brad pitt" children fantasize about a million different lives, we all do. even sometimes we see our friends parents, and wish our parents where more like our friends parents. but the fact is you get stuck with the parents you have, no matter if they are lesbians or not, or if your are adopted or not.

I remember one of the most hurtful things i ever said to my mom growing up was " why can't you be more like daniel's mom! she is always home and she even takes us out for ice-cream, but you're always working!" i could see it immediately how it hurt her when i said it, and i regretted it immediately.
but the point is all kids wonder things like that an wish they had different parents in their fantasies.

so what about all the kids born to unwed mothers from a one night stand or even a rape? what about all the kids who's father dies before the child is old enough to know them. that happens often to military families.

and what about all the kids who are born in a "1 man + 1 woman = happy family" relationship only it's not happy at all, their lives are filled with molestation and violence?

most catholics are not as closed minded as the stereotype, i think he was referring to the bigoted homophobic views held by the catholic church leadership, not most of the members.

using caps doesn't make it true, and everything you just wrote is complete bull****.

I can already hear his response being furiously typed "It's the WOMAN'S FAULT :fist:"

cant take a person seriously who celebrates men being killed by aids, shame on you

manhater

Wondering who your natural father is is not the same as wishing your mum was Angelina Jolie, or Daniels mum.

how is it different? you have the parents you have. whether it's 2 happy heterosexuals or 2 happy homosexuals, or 1 happy single mother and a step family.

whether it;s a family with 1 mom and 1 child, or a family with 2 moms and 2 dads and 40 other family members that are always around.

every family is unique just like every person is unique.

there is no such thing as a perfect family.

no one of us gets the perfect mother or father, or school, or society, but we all do the best we can with what we have. and there's nothing wrong with that.

I know one thing for sure, kids are doing better than they ever have done. they have more protection and more opportunities than ever before in history.

and i know for sure that telling kids that there's something wrong with their family does NO GOOD for ANYONE.

so if you don't like someone else's family, keep it to yourself, because it's none of your business as long as no one is being hurt. and there is no evidence at all that any one is being hurt by having 2 moms, or 1 mom, or no moms.

I'm not suggesting for a second they won't have a happy life and a loving family am I?...

I'm suggesting it's equally as natural to wonder about your biological parents if you'd never met them.

i don't see what that has to do with this story. i know plenty of people who have 1 mom and 1 dad who wonder if maybe they were adopted and secretly their dad is david bowie. so ****ing what? what does it have to do with this story about 2 lesbians creating a family?

it has absolutely jack all to do with jack all. kids wonder, that's what kids do, but guess what, kids also have to accept the family that they have. period.

During my long experience with infertility and the IVF journey, I was offered sperm donation after failed attempts using my partners. As a woman desperate for a child, I was all for it but my partner was not as keen, his main argument against it was due to hi being worried that if the child got ill down the line and needed a donor or something, he would not be able to help the child as he hadn't biological link to it, not because it would not be "his". In the end my need for a baby and his hesitation split us up so I can understand any woman feeling the need to have their own child but I do understand some of the counter arguments having lived through it. We did look into adoption and started the process but it is so intrusive and feels a lot like you are scrutinised unfairly for not being able to conceive naturally. Good luck to these ladies though

i'm sorry you went through such a stressful event annie....

but i must ask, did you ever consider trying to get pregnant without him and just never telling a living soul, and do you think it would affect how much he loved the child at all? if he never knew it was;'t his but always believed the child was biologically his... assuming you didn't **** a black guy, do you really think he would have ever known or cared or loved the kid less just because it wasn't biologically his?

I watched a really interesting documentary called "Little White Lie" the other day...and the conclusion she came to, was that family has nothing to do with genetics.

"Little White Lie"

No I didnt consider that....but in hindsight I am sure he wouldn't have loved the child any more or less but I personally could not have lived that life or lie. He has 2 kids from a previous relationship and I have since had my own child so I think at the end of the day, we were incompatible which was terribly sad as he was my best friend. :sad:

It's not from the perspective of the parents.. whoever they may be, it's from the standpoint of the child, it's not good enough to suggest they put up and shut up when they question their heredity.

well if you want to know a child's perspective, i was adopted. and my mom (adopted mom) died when i was 23. i found my biological family when i was 32. and i can say with absolute certainty that my mom was my real mom and my biological family, are just some people i found online.

you should stop judging others people's families. and since when do you get to decide how other people raise their kids?

or maybe you think just because they are gay parents only str8 people should get to decide how kids are raised. if that's why, then you are a bigot.

If you want to decide how other people raise their kids, there are plenty of straight parents ruining their children lives, so why don't you focus on them!

I haven't seen one single credible argument why these 2 women aren't just as capable as anyone else raising kids.

actually it is good enough, because like i told you earlier, CHILDREN don't get to decide who their parents are. People don't get to pick their family. that is the case with all straight parents having kids. so why are you so worried about children of gay parents not getting to pick their parents?

you are making me angry now kizzy. i suggest you really read back your comments. feel free to apologize later.

I haven't judged anyone, you're projecting onto me and I don't appreciate it.

Pick... Who mentioned anything about picking parents?
Not me.
I have nothing to aplogise for Alex, If you don't like my opinion on this then that's ok.

well i don't agree with or like your opinions. i'm repulsed by them and i disagree with them completely.

That's fine, I can live with that.

you should feel a bit bad about being wrong though. i think you should.

My opinion is my opinion who are you to said it's wrong?