jealousy can foster phobia through anxiety

Well fair enough, but I'm guessing your friend doesn't hate straight people, he just hates that they have life a lot easier than he does, that's not heterophobia :shrug:

No. Discrimination is treatment in favour or against an outgroup i.e. a subpopulation of people that you dont belong to. If homophobia exists - so does heterophobia - in some cases probably with similar reasoning (e.g. not in agreement with their lifestyle - marriage etc.).

I dont think thats a proper justification.

A sexist man - in most cases - doesnt hate women but hates their ability to be independent and in control.

Thank you. Well said. I hate this notion that only poor, unprivileged people can be badly treated.

I wouldn't say heterophobia exists, it's a reaction to the ignorance that is born out of homophobia and based on anger not fear.

I would just like to highlight that phobias are often irrational. Yes there can be rational arguments applied to why a gay person may not be fond of straight people - similarly a straight person may not be fond of gay people and not necessarily be homophobic. This leaves room for heterophobia.


To put an example in to context...

A gay person who feels threatened by straight women who can date straight men and displays 'hate' for straight women could be seen as heterophobic. Firstly the gay person should not feel threatened by straight women in this way because they do not have a chance with straight men anyway, plus there are other gay men to date, but also this is a very exaggerated and insecure response.

Its to do with anxiety and feeling fearful - this could be directed at straight women themselves or to the situation in which a gay men, straight women and straight men are all together and there is an opportunity for dates to arise (e.g. clubs). In the latter they dont necessarily 'hate' straight women but they show heterophobic tendencies when this sort of situation arises. Irritational.

This context also works with homophobia...

A straight man who feels threatened by gay men who aims to date men may 'display' hate for gay men and be homophobic. Again, the straight man should not feel threatened because the gay man might not try it on with him - or if he does can easily reject the offer - but once again its a very exaggerated and insecure response resulting from anxiety and feeling fearful. Furthermore they dont necessarily 'hate' gay men but they show homophobic tendencies again when this sort of situation arises. Irrational.


Obviously this context is just based on 'dating' but it extends into wider social structures. For example homophobia may be based on the disagreement and fear of what it means to have to 2 men living together as a 'family unit' - whilst heterophobia may be based on the disagreement and fear of society's insistence that 1 man and 1 woman should live together and have children as a 'family unit' and ideally be married etc. etc.


If one exists so does the other.

literally heterophobia does not exist, if you google it the only stuff that comes up is urban dictionary and things mocking it

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Heterophobia

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You can be easily homophobic and gay. All you need to do is go on Grindr and talk to anyone identifying themselves as straight acting. Ask them how they feel about 'fem' gay guys. Watch how they bemoan them for not being masculine enough.

It's a ridiculous paradox, but like Shaun said the amount of discrimination based on kinks/fetishes or downright prejudice are evidence enough of it. And it's often white gay men that are the worst at it. Internalised homophobia is a big, BIG problem.

I wouldn't say homophobia was a 'phobia' in the true sense of the word either.
Just a made up word to describe fear and ignorance.

I think its to do with personal opinion and up for debate - a couple of links on the internet is not concrete. Im happy for you to disagree that 'heterophobia' exists but Im more interested in your reasons not articles and blogs. Remember "homosexuality" once didnt exist...

Also just to add homophobia is more common because its in favour of social norms whilst heterophobia is the exact opposite - making it even more irrational.

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fear that is exaggerated and often irrational (because of ignorance)

'Heterophobia' :laugh3:

i don't know

source: idk

I generally don't get into serious debates on here because I'm nowhere near articulate enough to get my point across properly in writing :joker:

You don't have straight people living in fear of people finding out they're straight
You don't have straight people being bullied or attacked for who they are
You don't have straight people being murdered for being who they are

heterophobia doesn't exist, if a gay man is jealous of a woman, thats misogyny not heterophobia

for a bunch of gays yall narrow-minded on this subject nobody on this forum likes to sit down and go, hang on thats kind of a reasonable point do they

Its not common nor a big problem like homophobia but imo it exists.

I love da straight men and women :love:

BREAKING NEWS: Gay Murderer Kills 9 Men and Women for "Being Straight"

Does that really need to happen for heterophobia to be confirmed?

People generally dont murder others. A lot of homophobics do not murder or bully gay people... they make remarks, pull facial expressions and simply do not make friends with these people.

I do think there are certain situations where heterophobia can exist, I get where people are coming from when they say it doesn't because straight people don't have to generally face being outcasted for their sexuality, but that doesn't necessarily mean that there aren't people out there who hate straight people, it's extremely uncommon but I do think it happens.

Let's put it this way, if a club didn't allow gay people in there, that would be classed as homophobia, so if a gay club refused to let straight people in (I know a load of straight people who go to gay clubs with friends) what would that be classed as? revenge? no it would be classed and a group of people being ostracised because of their sexuality, which in essence is the same thing as homophobia, so I do think hetereophobia has the potential to exist, it's just highly unlikely.

I think sexism towards men should exist. Heterophobia? Not so much. :laugh:

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Don't let the truth see that

Exactly its very uncommon for numerous reasons - being gay automatically puts you in a minority group, youre going against social norms that have been ingrained into us, you make friends with assumingly 'straight' boys and girls from an early age...

Its more the case of showing heterophobic tendencies rather than being a full-blown heterophobe.

Im interested in Jack_'s opinion actually.

No no no, you misunderstand. It doesn't exist. It doesn't, cannot, has not, and will not exist.

Tell me when you've been mocked and had slurs shouted at you in the street for holding hands with someone? Tell me when people have rolled their eyes at you and your partner just for being together on a train? Tell me when you've had to sit in a room where everyone around you has spoken of their disgust and dissaproval of straight people?

Tell me when the government has had to vote to legalise you being who you naturally are? Tell me when you've had to explain to someone that no, one of you is not the 'woman' in the relationship? Tell me when most if not all of the TV shows and movies you watch have no representation of people like you and even when you are represented it's a negative two dimensional stereotype?

Everyday is straight pride for you. The entire world, it's systems and institutions are geared toward preserving your sexual orientation. Tell me one country where you can't walk around holding a girl's hand and not get mocked/arrested/killed? You can't because there aren't any. I can give you 79.

There's a reason why 'Heterophobia' is underlined in red when you type it - it does not exist. Someone may be prejudiced towards heterosexual people but no, they cannot be 'heterophobic' because that implies so much more than irrational distaste. It references systems of oppression designed to push you down, and those systems are simply not mirrored for straight people. There just aren't.

NOT a Niall essay :love:

We all know it's needed.

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Good post Niall but tbf PDAs between men and wome are punishable in some strict Muslim countries :p

That's not an example of heterophobia though.

Like Kizzy said, still not 'heterophobia'. :smug:

Beautifully well said. I find it upsetting that people think it's not as big a deal when a white person/straight person/man etc etc receives hatred for who they are. Which is something they cannot help...

I didn't say it was, I was just pointing that one bit out lol. I agree with you though :love:

Its a great post for sure but your focus is just on the very extreme of homophobia at a society level and not on an individual level... plus the use of a lot of rhetorical questions.

1 definition of homophobia plucked off the internet:

Lay-term.


Edit: heterophobia cannot exist at a society level because being heterosexual is the social norm, but I think it has its place at an individual level amongst homosexuals - be it a rare occasion

It seems to me that gay people have taken the history surrounding our sexuality and have taken it to mean that we deserve a higher podium to stand on because gay people in the past were treated awfully and some still are today, basically 'gays have had it worse so I can say and do whatever I want about straight people, it's not offensive because gays were treated worse' I don't buy into that mantra, nor do I think anyone should, hate is hate, discrimination against someone's sexuality -whether the sexuality is the most common one in the world or not - is discrimination.

'That guy can't come in this shop he's a ******' = discrimination
'That guy can't come in this shop he's a fleshy cave dweller' = discrimination

History is history, let it be history and accept that everyone can be hated on for anything these days and rather than try to disprove it because of some historical vendetta that is essentially blocking people's logical views of the world, accept it, not just gays are hated in this world, gays happen to be some of the most judgmental people in the entire world, we're not perfect.

Power to the straights.

I am going to stick with homophobia as I cant cope with being gay as well

But that's simply not what it is. Dictionary definitions do not define the true nature of homophobia. Like I previously stated, the true natrue of homophobia is a deeply ingrained and systematic style of oppression directed at all people who aren't heterosexual. That, my friend, is the definition of homophobia. What you've got there is something that references only part of a deeply ingrained societal issue. No such issues exist for heterosexual individuals.

And if you do believe that 'heterophobia' exists, then you believe that people of colour can be racist to white individuals? Because the logic around heterophobia uses precisely the same logic as that.

i know, I was just messing. :laugh: :love:

I absolutely do at an individual level.

My flatmate in first year when he first referred to me as a "white boy" I asked him what he meant by that and he explained it was just his terminology and I accepted it and went on to use it myself in banter - although I never dared say the n-word.

If we had ever argued and he called me a "white boy %#!#!' I would have taken it as a racist comment yes.

Absolutely, but not just white people.

Well by that logic he's a black boy and if you called him that it wouldn't be offensive because that's what he is...

****ing. PREACH. my god if we were both straight i'd totally marry you. its so nice to have another gay who shares this opinion with me. I feel like this whole putting the most underprivileged people on a podium thing does so much more damage than good. People preach and whine about wanting equality, so why is it different when people who are 'less-privileged' get hatred for being who they are? Now Im not the best with words, so I do apologize if this doesn't make sense, but surely, if people want equality so much, isnt the whole point that we treat everyone equally? So why is it not as big of a deal, or as serious, when someone who is straight, or white or even male receives hatred. Should we care less because 'LOL white people?' or 'LOL heterophobia'

At the end of the day, if someone is made to feel **** for who they are as a person, isn't that all that matters? why does a persons history have to come into with what they are being made to feel at that moment

Im with you here. It seems that if youre in the minority group you are excluded from the label. It kind of reminds me of domesitc abuse - awareness, help and support is largely for when the female is abused compared to the male - but it exists.