I agree totally.

I also think religion has its place, and is relevant to millions even in the UK, and will be for generations to come too, even if some think or would wish that wasn't the case.

it doesn't really have a place though... what place do you think it has? all religions teach hate and racism and homophobia and sexism and segregation and above all, they teach false facts that are easily disproved by science... so what place do religions really have other than in history books?

They also teach people not to commit crimes and do right by themselves and other people. Only discussing the negatives doesn't mean that the positives don't exist. Religion, in some cases, have actually made people better. I can assure you that the crime rate would probably be more than it is should religion not have existed.

I'm not religious but I don't ridicule people who are for going down a certain path that is not my own.

Are you including the reformation in this?

To those who believe and are a strong member of whatever religion they belong to, a great deal.

Who am I to tell anyone what they should believe, you are spot on as to religions in their doctrine and teaching that have corrupted even and been guilty of many bad things too.

However, faith has brought and given strength to many in their lives and to all those people that place for religion and faith is often vital.

Many fail to understand or even try to understand how so much comfort can be given to those with faith from that faith, just as to those with strong faith, where some can often fail to understand why those against religions cannot understand that too.

So for me that is why it has a place and is and should be still relevant.

keep it out of schools, out of politics and if people want to believe things like this, principally because it what their parents told them, grand

It should get no favour nor respect unless earned like anything else


and in schools it can be covered in perhaps 2 history lessons only.


simples

I have an unshakable faith, yet I find it almost impossible to forgive the atrocities committed in the name of religion, or by those using religion as a cover for their deviancy, it's this that colours my view.

The fact that you can manipulate it to any means (as witnessed now and before) is the reason. The fact that no gods exist means that you have no come back and any nutter can just say "yes but it is what god wants"

You can also use this to persuade suicide bombers with the carrot of heaven and of course, again, no comeback.

Hmmmmmmmmmmmm

I live in an islamic country and i am in minority. Since 3rd/4th grade i have had religion lessons every year and in turkey there are LOTS of religion schools and it does bother me because they are showing it down our throats. Also in june during lgbt pride they wrote pretty nasty words online and they stopped the pride because it happened during their religious holiday. And when it is time for their holidays we never disrespected them like they disrespect us.

It bothers me the way they are living their religion because they have no right to make other people uncomfortable because they are diffrent. So i think they should remove religion lessons from schools specially from middle school because young teenagers get manipulated and they dont decide what they are going to believe.

Religions are supposed to make people happy and they are supposed to guide people to do good things, they are not supposed to make people hate each other and make the world hell for the others. (ahem muslim countries)

With that being said religion can be a good thing or a bad thing and i feel like if i attack people or look down on people/religions then i am no better than them. I dont want anyone to feel bad or looked down based on who they are or what they believe.

Very nicely put

When it's your faith that inspires love, hope, trust, compassion, empathy, charity, friendship.. then great. When its fear, hate, distrust, ignorance, suppression, oppression and repression then there's something amiss.

Correct me if i'm wrong but that was 500 years ago?
It does'nt quite fit with the thread title 'Should any religion be taken seriously in the year 2015?'
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religion doesn't inspire any of those things. all of those things exist without religion kizzy. religion is a scam for money and power. when you show me a religion that doesn't give anyone any kind of money and power, then i'll have an open mind about it, but i've never heard of a religion that doesn't claim any kind of money or power from it's followers.

Can someone close this thread please it's painful and discrimatory to people who believe in the religion e.g myself as a Christian

are you crying? are you so upset that you are crying like an upset baby? Do you need your mommy to protect you?

Grow up. this is a forum for adults. If you can't handle it, then go to church and hide underneath a priests robes. he'd like that i'm sure.

I think it should be closed too.

Don't let this anti-religion ignorants upset you dan :hug:

No I'm not ****ing crying thank you very much! Don't be so ****ing rude! I don't need my mum to protect me at all.

Stop baiting

then stop trying to silence others just because you are so fragile and upset.

this is a very ;large forum, if you don't like this thread then there are plenty of other threads to join, there are even some threads about disney movies, maybe you'd feel more comfortable there.

Stop trying to shut down other people's opinions about religion though.

I think you're the fragile one who can't accept that not everyone has the same anti-religious attitudes, maybe you ought to stop pushing that down everyone's throats. :hee:

It's not even a debate tbh it's just basically people calling religion

Thank you Josh :hug: I'd love to see what some people would say if the title was 'Should women/African-Americans/Muslims be taken seriously' just because it's religion doesn't mean it's not discrimatory

Lmao I am not fragile and upset do you seriously think I am crying in a corner because two people who I don't even know are calling a religion.

I just think you're extremely and ignorant and rude. Maybe keep your views to yourself because I don't think anyone else is interested

good lord, these people seem to think their religion is too precious to be criticized.

If you don't like it, make your own thread where everyone holds hands and sings religious Hymns.
I would not invade that thread and try to get it shut down.

Can you explain how?

Don't you dare try and patronise me, who the hell do you think you are?!

I am not I just think this thread is extremely discrimatory and prejudiced taking the piss out of Catholics etc it's not right!

You can still be friendly towards religious people without singing hymns and going to church.. can't begin to imagine how limited your friendship group is.

actually people are interest3d in my view, that's why this thread was made, for everyone to give their own personal view point. so obviously the person who made this thread wanted my opinion. they asked for it.

Painful because it's not even a debate it's just extremely cringeworthy

Discrimatory because people are basically taking the ****ing piss out of Catholics

this is NOT a chat group hon, this is a serious debates thread. no one is here to make friends, we are here to share opinions. stick to the chat group threads if you just want to make friends.

In your view...


Catholicism is a disgraceful cult and should be torn apart and exposed at every turn


I have never come across anyone on tibb who was prepared to try and defend its evil ways :conf:

No thanks because I don't wish to make a thread on that topic.

My religion can be criticised yes I myself criticise it sometimes but I think it's very ****ing rude to take this piss out of people's religions if you don't believe in it 'LOL fed the 5000' yeah it's not funny it's just rude and makes you come across as a dick

Okay Sinead O'Connor...

we take the piss out of religion because it's ridiculous. there is nothing respectable about a religion that has spent thousands of years oppressing people, spreading racism, sexism and homophobia. we take that kind of oppression very seriously in the SERIOUS DEBATE section of the forum.

If you want to have a thread to just say nice things about religion, go to general chat, and i promise i won't bother you. You won't see me post there at all.

and that reply is your idea of a debate?


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believing that one loaf of bread can feed 5000 people makes you what then?

do you not see how ridiculous that sounds?


you cannot respect fairy tales

its like coming on here and defending Rapunzel

You keep persisting that this is the part of the forum for debates. I'm sorry but the first paragraph you posted saying that there is nothing respectable about my religion is so ****ing ignorant.

My religion is not ridiculous YOU are!

No I just can't take your reply serious enough to bother debating with it

This forum is obsessed with religion bashing, lol.

Can I just say something?

I have friends who are strongly religious - christians who pray every day&night, muslims who wear the hijab and pray throughout the day, a hindu friend who is a really lovely person..

NONE of these people have ever suggested to me that being gay is wrong. They love and embrace me for who I am, as I do them. Funnily enough, most of the homophobic remarks I have thrown at me in life come from atheists.

No Daniel you cant debate it that is why you are getting angry, and frankly I know you cant defend your beliefs as they have no evidential basis other than a bible and that is insufficient and has been for a long, long time.

Organised religion? No. One's personal and private faith? Yes.

I have nothing against religious people and can absolutely see the benefits it provides individuals with a sense of comfort and belonging - it is not for me and I struggle to ever believe any of it - but if it makes you happy, that's your prerogative.

However when religion is involved in the state, has influence upon politics, is rooted in law, causes international conflicts, terrorism...I have a problem.

Religion should be a personal, private and individualistic choice of faith. Nothing more, nothing less.