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arista 21-01-2016 01:44 AM

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kirklancaster 21-01-2016 07:03 AM

I really do not think, that given the sad reality of the world we are living in now, that anyone has done anything wrong in the chain of events leading up to this incident.

Hindsight, is truly, the most wonderful thing, and also one of the most useless - if the mistakes of the past are not learnt from.

Who can forget that the Police Authorities HAD Fred and Rose West and Peter Sutcliffe (among other Serial Killers) in their clutches several times but failed - for one reason or another - to 'join the dots', thereby allowing these killers to murder more innocents.

It is the same with MOST of the terrorists who have caused so much carnage in the UK, France, the USA, and other countries, who were not only Muslim, but Muslim Extremists who were 'Flagged Up' or even detained and questioned by those country's, or other country's Intelligence Services prior to them committing their atrocities, but who - for some reason or other - were released and had their security risk status downgraded, leaving them free to commit their terrorist atrocities.

So we HAVE to LEARN from classic and tragic precedents such as these, and when even a 10 year old child writes that he lives in a "terrorist house", it CANNOT be ignored by any responsible adult - ESPECIALLY when that child is a Muslim.

Yes - it is sad that this is the status quo, but it is a fact that the one terrorist organisation currently causing 99% of the carnage and atrocities in the world is ISIS or DAESH, who PURPORT to be MUSLIM.

It is also a fact, that MOST of the ISIS or DAESH terrorists causing 99% of the carnage and atrocities within WESTERN Countries, are domiciled within those Countries and living quite ordinary, suburban lives in quite ordinary suburban households.

It is also another fact, that children in quite ordinary surburban households sometimes paraphrase what they have overheard their parents or other adults within their households talking about, and as the word 'Terrorist' is not one which we should reasonably expect to be in the vernacular of the average 10 year old, then the teachers and others were absolutely correct in reacting as they did to these 'triggers' - 'Muslim' household and 'Terrorist'.

It should not matter if a thousand such incidents are investigated and turn out to be 'false alarms' because it is through being vigilant and treating this terrorist threat with the gravity it deserves, that we can stay 'one step ahead' of them, and if such vigilance does, just one time, result in covert Jihadists domiciled here being caught BEFORE they have had time to murder and maim innocent people, then these responsible adults will be applauded.

Much has been rightfully written about how the majority of UK domiciled Muslims are decent, peaceful, responsible citizens, so the parents and families of this 10 year old should accept with good grace that the authorities are acting in the best interests of all of us - no matter how draconian or OTT such action may first appear.

We read the headlines when Lee Rigby is slaughtered in cold blood, or the Paris atrocities occur and we react with shock, horror and sympathy - But do we REALLY understand the heartbreak and grief of the families and close friends? Though we can sympathise and empathise, REAL grief - like pain - is incummunicable, and that pain and grief and heartbreak must be magnified a thousandfold when such a tragic loss COULD have been PREVENTED by timely reaction to intelligence and proper investigation.

So if just ONE innocent person is spared injury or death by adults reacting responsibly as they did here, then YES, in my opinion, it IS better to be safe than SORRY.

As for the suggestion by someone that it is some kind of 'joke' and 'a waste of time' which 'could have been prevented by a simple question to the kid', I ask; having committed a 'faux pas', is a 10 year old then not capable of realising his mistake and LYING to cover it up?

We should NOT accept then the words of a 10 year old when he makes a certain statement, but should absolutely ACCEPT his words that he made a mistake in writing that statement?

Some 10 year olds are more than capable of deceit and guile - ask the police officers who questioned Thompson and Venables.

user104658 21-01-2016 07:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8444812)
Ah but what if the kid was actually confessing that his parents are actually terrorists and it was'nt a spelling mistake?You never can be too careful.

Because terrorists don't refer to THEMSELVES as terrorists ffs. http://sfmail.za.net/img/1/skleroz.gif

They call themselves freedom fighters, or jihadists, holy warriors, whatever...

"O yeh derp I come from a terrorist house where we do terror stuff lol."

user104658 21-01-2016 08:02 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8447752)
it IS better to be safe than SORRY.

:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

user104658 21-01-2016 08:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8446033)
...the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop, would a white Christian family ever accept that or feel it was ok to do...would they say, well you have to be careful, don't you..I completely understand or would they say...em, excuse me, my child made a spelling error, has no record of any changing behaviour otherwise, do we look like terrorists to you ..?...it's that assumption that it was ok to do because this was a Muslim family and Muslim+mispelled word=possible terrorism...

I would utterly lose my **** with them. I didn't even like Health Visitors coming in when my kids were babies, with both kids it didn't last long because we made it clear that we didn't need (or want) government workers poking around in our family life.

I can only imagine that if I was the "wrong race" I'd end up on some sort of watch list, because people would of course think "if he had nothing to hide, he wouldn't mind the state snooping about his stuff". Well, no. I don't have anything to hide. I just value my privacy and don't want to feel Big Bro breathing down my neck constantly. Of course that's OK for me, because I have a "white British" surname... it's obviously not OK if you have a Johnny Foreigner one.

arista 21-01-2016 08:43 AM

Ammi posted :
"the police went to the family home/invaded their privacy by looking through the private laptop"



The Police have a job to do.
Teachers must keep up ,
with the New Updates.

Laws are changing all the time



Its not Easy for any teacher, I agree.


Life In The City

Northern Monkey 21-01-2016 08:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8447797)
:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

:joker:

bots 21-01-2016 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8447793)
Because terrorists don't refer to THEMSELVES as terrorists ffs. http://sfmail.za.net/img/1/skleroz.gif

They call themselves freedom fighters, or jihadists, holy warriors, whatever...

"O yeh derp I come from a terrorist house where we do terror stuff lol."

yes, but a kid could easily associate terrorist with guns and stuff if he saw them lying about the house. You are putting an adult mind into a child

Niamh. 21-01-2016 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8447797)
:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

:laugh:

user104658 21-01-2016 11:07 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8448026)
yes, but a kid could easily associate terrorist with guns and stuff if he saw them lying about the house. You are putting an adult mind into a child

He's ten, not five... You're putting an infant mind into a pre-teen.

Tom4784 21-01-2016 11:17 AM

It's complete foolishness that this situation wasn't clarified before they called the called the police. It's shocking that the school hasn't even apologised to the family for their lowkey racism.

arista 21-01-2016 11:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 8448063)
It's complete foolishness that this situation wasn't clarified before they called the called the police. It's shocking that the school hasn't even apologised to the family for their lowkey racism.


Yes its tricky T word
both are - houses


Its a New Policy
at schools now
Ammi has the update

lostalex 22-01-2016 08:09 AM

they always tell children to confide in their teachers and counselors... but when he does he's pressured by family into saying he lied. this happens all the time to children that speak up.

arista 22-01-2016 09:44 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8450047)
they always tell children to confide in their teachers and counselors... but when he does he's pressured by family into saying he lied. this happens all the time to children that speak up.


This was T.
error

It looked bad,

No one got beat up
Teachers followed new data
Police did their job.

lostalex 22-01-2016 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8450203)
This was T.
error

It looked bad,

No one got beat up
Teachers followed new data
Police did their job.

according to the authorities it was not a mistake, the child was reaching out for help. now he's being bullied into silence... echoes of jimmy saville.

kirklancaster 22-01-2016 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 8447797)
:suspect: Mods, someone note down this man's IP address and inform the authorities.

Why would he capitalise this word specifically, if not to covertly hint to us of his involvement with extremists? I for one can't think of any reason, and in this day and age you can't be too safe.

:laugh: LOL - Just seen this you nutter.

DemolitionRed 22-01-2016 02:18 PM

Teachers are not part of the secret service.
Just as a doctor joins medicine to heal the sick, a teacher joins education to educate. Whilst I believe its crucial for a teacher or a doctor to pass on information that has aroused their suspicions on abuse issues and crime, to have a school teacher afraid of open discussion on certain subjects and to expect that teacher to spy on her pupils is a sad state of affairs.

The teacher who reported this, did so because she feared the repercussions of not sticking to the rule book. She could of even faced prosecution and so like it or not, she probably felt she had no choice.

Anyway, the story has been taken down for investigation, so I'm not sure what's going on.

Kizzy 22-01-2016 02:27 PM

Maybe it's all more anti Muslim hogwash?...

DemolitionRed 22-01-2016 03:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8450659)
Maybe it's all more anti Muslim hogwash?...

I only read it in the Guardian Kizzy. Was it in other papers too?

Ammi 22-01-2016 03:34 PM

..the thing is though, that not the same action is taken when it comes to other things and when a child or family is really desperately in need of outside/social care help...there is no help at all or very little when there really is a huge cause for concern with a child and concern that does have many aspects of it, not just an incorrectly spelled word or one incident which would be an easy mistake for a 10yr old to make..as TS, I think it was who said, it's something that would not probably present itself like that anyway..I 'live in a terrorist house', 'I am a terrorist' etc...we're just a very small school in comparison to many town or city schools who must have many, many more families and children who really do need care and are screaming for help... but we have children with behaviour/violence issues, consistent and persistent ones and children trying to hurt people, really, really seriously hurt them but we're told almost daily that there is no help for that child/that family available and the thing to do is to actually wait until they do hurt someone, until that awful thing does happen...because it 'all seems to be under control'....and young people/young teenagers trying to harm themselves but no help there either because 'it's a phase that teenagers go through'....a great focus it seems on possible radicalisation and of course if it's a Muslim child/family it has to be investigated and with no time to waste because we can't be too careful can we...but nothing...nothing..?...in any other area, or very, very little at all...

arista 22-01-2016 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed (Post 8450650)
Teachers are not part of the secret service.
Just as a doctor joins medicine to heal the sick, a teacher joins education to educate. Whilst I believe its crucial for a teacher or a doctor to pass on information that has aroused their suspicions on abuse issues and crime, to have a school teacher afraid of open discussion on certain subjects and to expect that teacher to spy on her pupils is a sad state of affairs.

The teacher who reported this, did so because she feared the repercussions of not sticking to the rule book. She could of even faced prosecution and so like it or not, she probably felt she had no choice.

Anyway, the story has been taken down for investigation, so I'm not sure what's going on.


Yes DR
Ammi is not
she does her job well

arista 22-01-2016 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8450281)
according to the authorities it was not a mistake, the child was reaching out for help. now he's being bullied into silence... echoes of jimmy saville.


Do You have a UK link for that?

lostalex 23-01-2016 11:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 8450907)
Do You have a UK link for that?

it read it on daily mail or guardian forget which, but those are the only 2 uk news sites i read so must have been one of them.

Kizzy 24-01-2016 09:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lostalex (Post 8455847)
it read it on daily mail or guardian forget which, but those are the only 2 uk news sites i read so must have been one of them.

I suggest dropping the mail for the Independent Alex.

DemolitionRed 24-01-2016 09:25 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8450777)
..the thing is though, that not the same action is taken when it comes to other things and when a child or family is really desperately in need of outside/social care help...there is no help at all or very little when there really is a huge cause for concern with a child and concern that does have many aspects of it, not just an incorrectly spelled word or one incident which would be an easy mistake for a 10yr old to make..as TS, I think it was who said, it's something that would not probably present itself like that anyway..I 'live in a terrorist house', 'I am a terrorist' etc...we're just a very small school in comparison to many town or city schools who must have many, many more families and children who really do need care and are screaming for help... but we have children with behaviour/violence issues, consistent and persistent ones and children trying to hurt people, really, really seriously hurt them but we're told almost daily that there is no help for that child/that family available and the thing to do is to actually wait until they do hurt someone, until that awful thing does happen...because it 'all seems to be under control'....and young people/young teenagers trying to harm themselves but no help there either because 'it's a phase that teenagers go through'....a great focus it seems on possible radicalisation and of course if it's a Muslim child/family it has to be investigated and with no time to waste because we can't be too careful can we...but nothing...nothing..?...in any other area, or very, very little at all...

This is so depressing.


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