That wasn't God, it was Leather Trumpet 'avin' a larf.

On the first day, LT created man.

On the second day, he created Cops.

On the third day, one of the cops shot a black kid for no reason.

On the fourth day, one of the cops shot all of the other cops by accident.

On the fifth day, that last cop shot all of the other humans and then himself.

On the sixth day, LT defended the actions of the cop because he had a stressful job, and decided to start over by creating a world populated only with cops.

On the seventh day he was going to rest... But instead decided to troll TS off TiBB by planting an ancient tablet to be discovered thousands of years later.




... It's as good an origin story as any, I suppose.

Pmsl at Toy Soldier and Livia.

Who are 'they', am I they...is Corbyn they?

Illuminating article from The Spectator;

Why do leftists care more about Muslims than they do about Jews? If that sounds confrontational, consider this: this week, the Met Police released the latest hate-crime figures for London. They show that offences against Jews have risen by 93% over the past year, while offences against Muslims have risen by 70%. And guess which story the BBC, Guardian and Independent, those voices of the British liberal conscience, have chosen to flag up? Yep, the 70% hike in Islamophobic attacks, not the nearly 100% hike in anti-Semitic offences.

The BBC’s headline is ‘Islamophobic crime in London “up by 70%”‘. The Guardian‘s is ‘Hate crimes against Muslims soar in London’. The Indie opts for ‘Hate crimes against Muslims in London “up by 70%”‘. What about the crimes against Jews? Sorry, no room for those. They aren’t mentioned. Whether as a result of how the cops chose to press-release their new figures or how editors chose to interpret them, or maybe a bit of both, someone down the line has taken the decision that a bashed-up or verbally abused Muslim is more newsworthy than a bashed-up or verbally abused Jew.

This is becoming increasingly common. For some reason, so-called progressives, especially those of a leftist bent, are made more upset by hatred of Muslims than they are by hatred of Jews. It’s why the very people – Yasmin Alibhai-Brown, Diane Abbott, every leftie on Twitter – who normally rail against racism, and against the people who rub shoulders with racists, could in essence say ‘What’s all the fuss?!’ when it was revealed Jeremy Corbyn had been hanging out with Holocaust deniers.

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It’s why every bovine attack on a mosque is held up as hard evidence that Europe is descending into a cesspool of anti-Muslim hatred, whereas you have to scour the media to find mentions of attacks on synagogues. In recent days, a Manchester teen was beaten up in a suspected anti-Semitic assault; a Jewish Spanish teenager was physically attacked; and two Holocaust survivors in Amsterdam were assaulted and called ‘dirty Jews’. Yet these incidents aren’t frontpage news; certainly they aren’t cited as evidence that a new plague of prejudice is stalking Europe, as is done when Muslims are assaulted. The message of this double standard, however implicit it might be, is pretty clear: attacks on Jews are less important than attacks on Muslims.

The extent to which chattering-class concern for Muslims trumps concern for Jews reached its nadir when four Jews were murdered in a Parisian deli shortly after the massacre at Charlie Hebdo. Pretty much every liberal newspaper in Europe continued thundering on about the potential for an ‘Islamophobic backlash’ following the Charlie killings, even as Jews were being killed. On the morning the four dead Jews were being put on a flight for burial in Israel, George Clooney was telling fawning hacks how worried he was about ‘anti-Muslim fervour’ in Europe. It’s surreal. Some people seem more worried about possible attacks on Muslims than by actual attacks on Jews.

And now, a hike in anti-Muslim crimes in London is given greater media prominence than a larger hike in anti-Jewish attacks. This implicit demotion of Jewish problems, this judgement that crimes against Jews aren’t all that serious, needs some explanation. I think there are two reasons for it.

The first is that flagging up attacks on Muslims allows the left to indulge some prejudices of their own, especially about the dumb, tabloid-reading hordes, whom they view as being one iffy Richard Littlejohn column away from organising a demented anti-Muslim pogrom. The liberal elite’s myopic focus on Islamophobia is really an expression of distrust for the insufficiently multicultural, apparently Western-centric masses.

The second reason is that many on the left seem to think anti-Semitism is politically justified. From Karen Armstrong’s insistence that the deli attack in Paris ‘had nothing to do with anti-Semitism’ and rather was ‘about Palestine’ to various commentators’ claims that anti-Semitism in Europe is the inevitable byproduct of Israel’s antics in the Middle East, many very respectable people now view assaults on Jews almost as a form of protest, as political rather than hateful.

That’s the terrifying message of the media and leftists’ implicit downgrading of the seriousness of anti-Semitism. Whether they’re excusing these crimes or simply acquiescing to them, they’re giving a green light to anti-Semitism.

Sadiq Khan: I wear badge of shame over anti-Semitism in Labour

Labour mayoral candidate Sadiq Khan today said he wears a “badge of shame” because of anti-Semitism in his party.

He attacked Labour’s leadership for not taking a “tougher stance” and said he knew what it was to “suffer hate crime”, before adding: “I also know it’s unacceptable in 2016 that there is anti-Semitism in the Labour party.

“It’s with sorrow that I wear that badge of shame.” He added: “If it means members of my party, senior members of my party including members of [Labour’s ruling National Executive Committee] being trained about what anti-Semitism is, then so be it.”

NEC members include party leader Jeremy Corbyn. At a hustings organised by the London Jewish Forum, Jewish news and JW3 in Finchley Road, Mr Khan added: “I have said at the outset, I’m embarrassed and sorrowful about anti-Semitism in the party.

"I think the Labour leadership could have taken a tougher stance and needs to take a tougher stance.”

It comes after Mr Corbyn’s brother was dragged into the furore for comments relating to Jewish Labour MP Louise Ellman.

After she called for tougher action on anti-Semitism in the party, Piers Corbyn described her remarks as “absurd” and tweeted: “#Zionists cant cope with any-one supporting rights for #Palestine.”

The Sun reported that Jeremy Corbyn responded saying: “My brother has his point of view, I have mine and we actually fundamentally agree. We are a family that were brought up fighting racism from the day we were born.”

Jeremy Corbyn's brother attacks 'Zionist' Jewish Labour MP

Labour has been rocked by a series of anti-Semitic incidents in recent weeks

JEREMY Corbyn has been caught up in another anti-Semitism row – after his BROTHER attacked a “Zionist” Jewish Labour MP.

Just two weeks after Labour leader Corbyn promised to do more to tackle anti-Semitism within his own party, astrophysicist and weather expert Piers Corbyn has landed him in more hot water.

Responding to a story about Jewish Labour MP Louise Ellman saying not enough is being done to tackle the problem within the party, he defended those accused and wrote: “Zionists can’t cope with anyone supporting rights for Palestine.”

Weather forecaster Corbyn has previous form with contentious tweets, including one linking Israel with ISIS.

In November last year, he retweeted a post from openly anti-Semitic Twitter account @RealFKNews – whose bio says “expose the Holocaust Hoax” - promoting a conspiracy theory suggesting Israel is in cahoots with ISIS.

When challenged about the allegation, Piers, who is not thought to be a member of the Labour party any more, wrote he simply retweeted it to “get an answer.”

He also responded in 2014 to an article about the Iranian Supreme Leader calling for Muslims to arm Hamas with this capitalised tweet saying “ISRAEL WILL REAP A WHIRLWIND.”

It comes after a string of anti-Semitic incidents within the Labour party.

Vicki Kirby, the vice chair of the Labour's Woking branch, was promoted despite tweeting that Jews have "big noses" and "slaughter the oppressed", before calls for Corbyn to suspend her.

In the past few days, it has also emerged that Labour councillor and former Lord Mayor of Bradford Khadim Hussain was suspended from the Party after promoting a cartoon on social media bemoaning the emphasis schools place on teaching the Holocaust "and the six million Zionists that were killed."


HOW REVEALING THAT ANTI-SEMITIC PIERS CORBYN DISGUSTINGLY STATES ALL THE ABOVE (AND MORE) YET LABOUR LEADER JEREMY CORBYN SUPPORTS HIM AND STATES;

“My brother has his point of view, I have mine and we actually fundamentally agree."

Initially that sounds very bad, unless you consider what the figures for the previous year were... if there were say 10 attacks for one group and 1000 for another then the rise would be no less concerning but the response significantly different.

Personally I'd say it was the rise and rise of the far right movements that has created the increase in antisemitism, they don't like Muslims or the Jewish do they?

Personally, I'm not really bothered about knowing who hates us more, the left or the right. The Jews have been oppressed, murdered, exiled, detested, like I said earlier, for millennia. The word "ghetto" might mean something different now, but it's derived from a Hebrew word, ghettos were initially areas of cities where Jews were "allowed" to live. We've lasted as a people for well over 5000 years despite regular bouts of genocide and still people say stuff like "yeah but, you people own Hollywood", or "Jews aren't liked because they own all the banks". Both those comments have been made on this forum. The Jewish religion doesn't recruit, I'm pretty sure there aren't any Jewish terrorists blowing up the west... yet we're still hated by people on the right and on the left. Despite everything the human race has been through and everything we know... we're not really any further forward.

im up for joining whoever hates the jews the most

(im joking Livia.... i love you really)

I'm watching you, Missy......

There has been a problem with the left and anti-semitism for a long time I think. It's different from the far-right - they hate Jews because of mad conspiracies about them controlling money and governments and the like - on the left the issue derives from their 'solidarity' with groups like Hamas and Hezbollah and their hatred for Israel. It is they who confuse anti-zionism with anti-semitism, not their critics.

unless you count the West Bank...

Not saying your right, but you say that like it's somehow more acceptable to hate Jewish people due to to conspiracy theories.
If both sides 'hate' the Jews then are not both sides equally unjustified?

I try not to get overly involved in debates about Gaza because I'm married to a none practising Jew and according to him and his family, I am Jewish because my ancestral maternal line is Jewish, though not since the early nineteen hundreds.

Anti-semitism and not liking Bibi's oppressive government are not the same thing.

Well I didn't intend to imply that, if anything I think I was saying the other way round that the right's anti-semitism is more unhinged, not that that makes it 'worse' exactly

Could anti war be confused with anti-semitism at times though to further an agenda?

not when it manifests as anti semitism

TBH if I'm gonna be really stereotypical or w.e the right phrase is, I think the Left is more 'All religion is bad apart from Muslims!!!!!!!!' where as the right is more 'All Religion is great apart from Muslims!!!!'

How could that happen?
If you are anti war then you are against the ideology of war, ( all war) not religious belief.
The only way that could be misconstrued is if it was spun intentionally to do so.

Of course, accusations of anti-semitism will be used to try to shut down all sorts of discussions, on the assumption that people will be "too scared to go there".

Exactly. Howard Jacobson always talks a lot of sense about it:

'Let’s forget whether or not anti-Semitism is the root of this. It is sufficient that it is the consequence.'

This is in itself a nonsensical statement.
In essence it means no matter your ideology should someone either intentionally or unintentionally misinterpret it, it's your fault.

There are plenty of left leaning conspiracy theorists but they don't stoop as low as suggesting the holocaust never happened.

Left leaning people tend to be more atheist than right leaning people and therefore, don't look at the religion but at the troubles and the person/people involved. Most left wing people believe that everybody has a right to live on that land in safety and security and therefore "Jew" and "Israel" and "Muslims and "Palestine" are not the same thing. It would be ignorant to assume otherwise.

Right leaning Protestant Christians embrace Israel because it is the landing zone for "The second coming" and they want to be sure that zone is under Western authority when Jesus comes back to spirit them off.

What I find hilarious is, if Jesus was real and really could do magic tricks and stuff, and he did return... no one would actually believe it :joker:. Everyone's a skeptic these days.

He would be like "I have returned! Behold my miracles!"

And the people who were there would be like "lol yeah right I bet I know how he did it. My mate John said he could even see the strings pmsl"

And the people seeing pictures and videos from home would be like "Haha yeah OK. Photoshop / green-screen. Fake."

The Jews would certainly have a good laugh because they don't believe in the 2nd coming but in the mean time, they're happy to get political support :joker:

It could all get really confusing if the J-man does turn up, couldn't it? The Jews would be like "He's finally here!", and the Christians be like "He's back!". What a pickle.

very interesting post but a song springs to mind to help me explain - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dpWmlRNfLck

Jews are overwhelmingly left-wing.

Livia, our voice from the left :joker:

I almost choked on my falafel then :)

So true. You have it in one Matt.

You are correct about 'One-sided sympathy' Josh, but a much better phrase would be 'WRONG sided sympathy', because the greater majority who have sympathy for the Palestinians and who detest and blame Israel, are simply swallowing propaganda and do not know the truth or the history.

what i will say about the idea of a power imbalance in the middle east, when people on the left specifically like to say that Jews and Israel have the scales tipped in their favor because of support from the USA and other western countries...i would say that the Palestinians should have the same support from their supposed Arab friends, so why isn't there the same support from huge rich muslim countries like Saudi, and UAE, or even Indonesia, why do the other arab/muslim countries leave Palestine high and dry?

There must be a reason. instead they just use it as an issue to bash the USA, but they don't actually provide any actual support to the Palestinian people. why??

:clap1::clap1::clap1: Another insightful post Alex.