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kirklancaster 11-06-2016 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 8710813)
It's no secret that I'm much more politically alligned to Izzard than Farage, but they really did make a tit of themselves.. needs to learn to shut up


(gender-neutral phrases bc im not sure what 'their' pronoun is, ive read different things about tht)

I hope that you are not including Farage in your descriptor; 'They', Josh, because he is one of the most civil and polite politicians there is.

Interrupting others, talking over others out of turn, and not allowing others to respond to a question directed to them during a discussion program, are the most utilised tactics of two distinct types of ignoramus:

1. The ignorant who have no manners.

2. The ignorant who need to hide the fact that they have no GENUINE knowledge of the subject under discussion.

I'm afraid that the unfunny Eddie Izzard qualifies as both types.

There is nothing wrong with celebrities - or any other type of 'non-professional' politician being on the panel of any discussion program, but those responsible for drawing up the panel guest lists should at least ascertain that the names they are inviting to appear are at least intelligent and knowledgeable about the subjects up for discussion, or failing that, are capable of being witty and injecting light relief into the program.

TIzzard does not qualify on either count.

JoshBB 11-06-2016 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster (Post 8711016)
I hope that you are not including Farage in your descriptor; 'They', Josh, because he is one of the most civil and polite politicians there is.

Interrupting others, talking over others out of turn, and not allowing others to respond to a question directed to them during a discussion program, are the most utilised tactics of two distinct types of ignoramus:

1. The ignorant who have no manners.

2. The ignorant who need to hide the fact that they have no GENUINE knowledge of the subject under discussion.

I'm afraid that the unfunny Eddie Izzard qualifies as both types.

There is nothing wrong with celebrities - or any other type of 'non-professional' politician being on the panel of any discussion program, but those responsible for drawing up the panel guest lists should at least ascertain that the names they are inviting to appear are at least intelligent and knowledgeable about the subjects up for discussion, or failing that, are capable of being witty and injecting light relief into the program.

TIzzard does not qualify on either count.

'They' was aimed at Eddie. Although Farage could shut up with his views on migrants in general tbh

Crimson Dynamo 11-06-2016 06:19 PM

oh and he looked like a total div as well. what a plank.

empire 11-06-2016 06:54 PM

there is a reason why so many celebs are pro eu, well it makes their bank balance better, because if the eu told them to pay bigger tax percentage, their tune would be the other way,

user104658 11-06-2016 10:00 PM

To be fair Kirk, I have a LOT of arsehole punters who are sticklers for "manners".

Kizzy 11-06-2016 11:11 PM

Watched it, loving Eddies nod to prince. He was right Farage is an immigrant against immigration, funny how they are the most vocal on immigration those who themselves are second or third generation immigrants.
How rude was the man shouting 'shut up' they really need to teach the audience some manners, or vet them better... sounded like a right 'chav' :/

Northern Monkey 12-06-2016 12:03 AM

I never understand why people say Farage is against immigration.He's never said that:shrug:

He like a large percentage of (non racist)people in this country just wants to be able to control the numbers we take in.It is highly irresponsible to not be able to control your own borders as a country.Every government has a huge problem being able to build enough houses for the existing population of this country.Why would we want to make that problem alot bigger than it already is?
Not many people are against immigrants they just want to take back control of the amount.

empire 12-06-2016 01:12 AM

last week the lefties, are trying to make him say sorry over his comments, about refugee males sexually assaulting women and girls, and he has the right to bring this up, because are country having an open door border, will put the female population of all ages at risk, in the paper today, a 14 year old girl, was sexually assaulted by 4 syrian men in a park, and the more we let in, the more it will spark the fire for race riots all over the country, it will make the 2011 riots look like a pub brawl, that's what he is trying to say,

_Tom_ 12-06-2016 04:57 AM

He was a disgrace, so out of his depth and behaved like a petulant child. A national embarrassment - and also a liar:



"No, no, no, I didn't say join the Euro"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1736151.stm

the truth 12-06-2016 05:25 AM

so hes a liar as well as a sanctimonious hypocrticial nauseating arrogant deluded twat

billy123 17-06-2016 09:52 AM

You only have to look at the political persuasion of those being abusive about Eddie to see that their opinion has very little credibility and is based only on the fact that he holds different political beliefs to them.
Pretty childish really. He must of touched a raw nerve and uncovered a few insecurities judging by some of the comments in this thread.

user104658 17-06-2016 10:15 AM

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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8731429)
Nice first post NOT.

YAS! I loved the 90's :flutter:

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Originally Posted by bobnot (Post 8731436)
You only have to look at the political persuasion of those being abusive about Eddie to see that their opinion has very little credibility and is based only on the fact that he holds different political beliefs to them.
Pretty childish really. He must of touched a raw nerve and uncovered a few insecurities judging by some of the comments in this thread.

That combined with the increasingly standard BS position that "only politicians should be taken seriously talking about politics", "only lawyers can talk about the law", "only doctors can talk about health", "only gardeners can talk about plants".

People really like the idea of others staying in their prescribed boxes, I think. Well... as you say... that's the case if they happen to disagree with what they have to say. If they agree then the person who said it suddenly becomes a magnificent expert and the :clap1: smilies come into play.

the truth 17-06-2016 01:54 PM

he was ignorant and rude as hell simple as that

Suze 17-06-2016 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 8705231)
i've never liked Izzard, so I'm just not interested in anything he has to say, whether he agrees with me on the EU or not.

Same here.

empire 17-06-2016 06:15 PM

eddie izzard fails to understand, that every british politican does nothing for the ordinary brit, and that eveytime they bring up housing, jobs, and other things, they are dismissed, as intolerant, or lied to, by slimy mps, and councillors, who are only there to fill their pockets, I feel that eddie will never listen to the ordinary in the street, who suffer because of what the EU has done to this country, the younger generation have no future in this country.

the truth 17-06-2016 07:52 PM

hes a liar too, this idiot izzard was demanding we drop the pound and join the euro in 2001 and accused anyone who didnt agree of being a xenophobic little englander , no doubt hinting at being racist with the usual reverse racism accusations, what a twat. he also denied this on question time which was a big fat lie. heres the proof hes a liar...http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/entertainment/1736151.stm and here he denies ever saying it...http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ll-Brexit.html he thinks hes a genius progressive person because he does **** stand up in 2 languages and wants a one world government where who hold hands singing the european anthem. one world government means the one percent control the whole planet, twat

empire 17-06-2016 11:57 PM

eddie should see what happened, to russell brand when he tried to play the voters minds, by saying don't vote, and a few days before the election, he said on youtube, to vote for labour, and people caught on in his phoney bullsh't, and now we don't see him on tv, debating about the eu remain or exit vote, I mean eddie going on about helping 7 billion people, in some wishy washy way, like the way corbyn tells the working class that he really care's about them.

Kizzy 18-06-2016 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by empire (Post 8734919)
eddie should see what happened, to russell brand when he tried to play the voters minds, by saying don't vote, and a few days before the election, he said on youtube, to vote for labour, and people caught on in his phoney bullsh't, and now we don't see him on tv, debating about the eu remain or exit vote, I mean eddie going on about helping 7 billion people, in some wishy washy way, like the way corbyn tells the working class that he really care's about them.

So who does care about the working class? (serious question)

Johnnyuk123 18-06-2016 06:07 PM

I agree 100% Corbyn doesn't give a toss about the working class.

http://rationalwiki.org/w/images/c/c5/Patriometer.gif

the truth 18-06-2016 08:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8736083)
So who does care about the working class? (serious question)

no one. europe is a massive corporate takeoever of all small busiensses and public services. the goal of free movement was never discussed in any manifesto it was forced upon the masses to drive down wages across europe.....many uk jobs are advertised in foreign nations only in order to get cheap labour, even if they pay minimum wage they simply deduct exorbitant rents and transport from the workers. its a corporate carve up it really is as plain on the nose on my face

Kizzy 18-06-2016 08:57 PM

Oh right because I thought the whole reasoning behind Corbyns decision to remain focused on workers rights?...
What have any other politician had to say regarding those? I haven't heard anyone else mention them to be honest.

the truth 19-06-2016 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8736471)
Oh right because I thought the whole reasoning behind Corbyns decision to remain focused on workers rights?...
What have any other politician had to say regarding those? I haven't heard anyone else mention them to be honest.

he talks about it thats all, what use is that? hes voted in as a man for the workers and for nationalisation and anti eu, then in power he immediately does a massive flip flop and now after 39 years of being anti eu, he suddenly fully supports the pro corporation eu? its amazing. the guy has let everyone down

Kizzy 19-06-2016 01:46 PM

He has explained his concerns regarding TTIP and the retention of workers rights, what is bojos explanation for flip flopping?

the truth 19-06-2016 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8737817)
He has explained his concerns regarding TTIP and the retention of workers rights, what is bojos explanation for flip flopping?

he has barley mentioned ttip or corporate corruption or the unelected commission or the neo liberal takeover. corbyn has bottled everything

Kizzy 19-06-2016 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8737823)
he has barley mentioned ttip or corporate corruption or the unelected commission or the neo liberal takeover. corbyn has bottled everything

yep he's mentioned it at every interview.

the truth 19-06-2016 02:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8737839)
yep he's mentioned it at every interview.

no he hasnt ....hes deflected and blamed everything on the tories austerity....hes bene pitifully vague and weak and totally contradicted his so called lifelong anti eu elitist stance

Kizzy 19-06-2016 03:40 PM

He has, post me an interview where he hasn't. Austerity is a totally separate debate to the EU.

Johnnyuk123 19-06-2016 03:55 PM

Corbyn has spent the best part of 40 years wanting out of the EU and now he does a complete U turn and wants to remain in the EU.:shrug: Not exactly the kind of person you want in charge of the country is it.:joker:

Kizzy 19-06-2016 04:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Johnnyuk123 (Post 8738038)
Corbyn has spent the best part of 40 years wanting out of the EU and now he does a complete U turn and wants to remain in the EU.:shrug: Not exactly the kind of person you want in charge of the country is it.:joker:

Well yes he has been honest and very frank about his reasonings behind his misgivings namely TTIP.
What are bojos reasons for his change of heart he was firmly for remain a couple of years ago, now he wants us to be like America and pay for the privilege of trading with the EU :/

empire 19-06-2016 05:28 PM

nigel farage is attacked for telling the truth, and he has been telling that truth for a number of years, the hypocrisy of attacking his poster is a very big cheap shot, when the remain poster of a seesaw, with a white person, stereotyped as a skinhead thug, attacking an ethnic minority, offends me, as a white working class lad, because the liberal left think that they can take me for granted, and the sheer arrogance of there snobbery, and refuse to listen to us, eddie and corbyn think that the ordinary brit must suffer the hardships of there arrogant ideologies, calling people who want out of the EUSSR little englanders and racists just shows how petty they are.

joeysteele 19-06-2016 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8738051)
Well yes he has been honest and very frank about his reasonings behind his misgivings namely TTIP.
What are bojos reasons for his change of heart he was firmly for remain a couple of years ago, now he wants us to be like America and pay for the privilege of trading with the EU :/

Boris Johnson was even also a strong advocate for Turkey becoming part of the EU, there's even a video of him strongly saying that on you tube.

The point is, a great number of people once really thinking about it are changing their minds.
I have come across loads who voted in in 1975,who are now voting out this time, and the same vice versa.

Once you analyse any situation and have to come to a decision, then you do weigh all up and then declare your new position,which may or may not be different from your previous one.

Corbyn is at best lukewarm to the EU, and on some issues as to the EU so am I.
However like David Cameron, Corbyn has looked at out seriously and has likely not liked what was the picture of that result overall.
He stresses every time he speaks that the EU has to be reformed and he outlines the things he would like the EU to develop into with the UK still in it now.

Very few expected Boris Johnson to come down on the out side,it was widely expected he preferred in, from all he has said before.
Unlike any of the other Politicians,it is in effect Boris who is the hypocrite and false on this issue.
As I have no doubt and even a good number of those in the Conservative party, feel that had Cameron come down on the out side, Boris would now be campaigning to remain in.

Boris just wants to oust the PM in my view and he got the shock of his life, as most did, when Cameron got an overall majority in May last year.
So now Boris is using this EU referendum to further his own ambitions against Cameron,I have really no doubt as to that.

the truth 19-06-2016 06:39 PM

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Originally Posted by joeysteele (Post 8738327)
Boris Johnson was even also a strong advocate for Turkey becoming part of the EU, there's even a video of him strongly saying that on you tube.

The point is, a great number of people once really thinking about it are changing their minds.
I have come across loads who voted in in 1975,who are now voting out this time, and the same vice versa.

Once you analyse any situation and have to come to a decision, then you do weigh all up and then declare your new position,which may or may not be different from your previous one.

Corbyn is at best lukewarm to the EU, and on some issues as to the EU so am I.
However like David Cameron, Corbyn has looked at out seriously and has likely not liked what was the picture of that result overall.
He stresses every time he speaks that the EU has to be reformed and he outlines the things he would like the EU to develop into with the UK still in it now.

Very few expected Boris Johnson to come down on the out side,it was widely expected he preferred in, from all he has said before.
Unlike any of the other Politicians,it is in effect Boris who is the hypocrite and false on this issue.
As I have no doubt and even a good number of those in the Conservatives party, feel that had Cameron come down on the out side, Boris would now be campaigning to remain in.

Boris just wants to oust the PM in my view and he got the shock of his life, as most did, when Cameron got an overall majority in May last year.
So now Boris is using this EU referendum to further his own ambitions against Cameron,I have really no doubt as to that.

corbyn is a coward and a turncoat, he has simply gone against everything he claims to have stood for and sold europe out to the ensuing corporate takeover, the details of which Ive already outlined to you many many times. Boris johnson is irrelevant. hes not leader of any party. IF he goes for leadership then we will thoroughly examine his entire career and credentials. corbyns uturn is the most shocking Ive ever witnessed in my whole life studying politics.

Kizzy 19-06-2016 07:35 PM

If anyone were to say they were 100% for or 100% against they would be lying, there are good aspects and bad aspects of being in the EU.
With Labour in charge he may well have advocated leave, yet with the tories in power can they be trusted to take us out and keep our rights in place?... I don't think they can, maybe Mr Corbyn can't either that's why he would rather remain.

the truth 19-06-2016 10:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8738664)
If anyone were to say they were 100% for or 100% against they would be lying, there are good aspects and bad aspects of being in the EU.
With Labour in charge he may well have advocated leave, yet with the tories in power can they be trusted to take us out and keep our rights in place?... I don't think they can, maybe Mr Corbyn can't either that's why he would rather remain.

everyone has pretty much gone for 100% on all sides. corbyn hasnt outlined what and how he wants to change the eu and how long it will take, hes barely touched on wages being held down, neo liberalism, , gangmasters ,corporate corruption, obamasa threat, the bankrupt nations across europe, the fact the eu hand picked and replaced the italian government without an election, all time world record levels of unemploment across the eu, the scaremongering that happened with the euro which was a failure, the fishing, the mining costs, the threat of ttip and the eu deal to all our public services and the nhs, uber? the fact eu commissioners leave to join massive corporations theyve just finished regulating for? insider trading, vested interests? the fact the uk has created more jobs in 6 years than the rest of the eu put together? sharia law? the massive rise in sexual assaults on women as immigration rises? the fact the 99.9% of them are young fit men not women and children or disabled? uk jobs advertisied only abroad by gangmasters, illegal immigration, terrorism,

the man is a joke , a spineless charlatan

Kizzy 19-06-2016 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8739557)
everyone has pretty much gone for 100% on all sides. corbyn hasnt outlined what and how he wants to change the eu and how long it will take, hes barely touched on wages being held down, neo liberalism, , gangmasters ,corporate corruption, obamasa threat, the bankrupt nations across europe, the fact the eu hand picked and replaced the italian government without an election, all time world record levels of unemploment across the eu, the scaremongering that happened with the euro which was a failure, the fishing, the mining costs, the threat of ttip and the eu deal to all our public services and the nhs, uber? the fact eu commissioners leave to join massive corporations theyve just finished regulating for? insider trading, vested interests? the fact the uk has created more jobs in 6 years than the rest of the eu put together? sharia law? the massive rise in sexual assaults on women as immigration rises? the fact the 99.9% of them are young fit men not women and children or disabled? uk jobs advertisied only abroad by gangmasters, illegal immigration, terrorism,

the man is a joke , a spineless charlatan

So basically you want him to express how he is going to change the world? While those in power just carry on dismantling what it has taken the blood sweat and tears of hundreds of thousands to build... yeah it's not going to happen, that's not spineless it's just fact.

the truth 19-06-2016 10:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8739582)
So basically you want him to express how he is going to change the world? While those in power just carry on dismantling what it has taken the blood sweat and tears of hundreds of thousands to build... yeah it's not going to happen, that's not spineless it's just fact.

ah the old straw man argument, totally misrepresenting everything I just said and putting false words in my mouth, shame on you:nono:

joeysteele 19-06-2016 10:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 8739582)
So basically you want him to express how he is going to change the world? While those in power just carry on dismantling what it has taken the blood sweat and tears of hundreds of thousands to build... yeah it's not going to happen, that's not spineless it's just fact.

I have stopped most things EU referendum related,campaigning,leafleting, after the horrific events of Thursday last week.

I do have to say however, I am disappointed a little with Corbyn really myself, he has just not got behind the 'remain' campaign enough for me and a great number of Labour activists and MPs do feel he would be probably be just as happy if the UK voted to leave the EU.

However I also accept with any leadership comes responsibility too and often your own principles and feelings have to be set aside when leading a party.
Few leaders and PMs got all their own way once in place as leader or PM.

However Corbyn did today and has over the weeks, said much of how he would like the EU reformed.
More workers rights, better pay and conditions in the poorer EU Nations.
He believes that secured in the poorer EU Nations would greatly assist as to the movement of EU citizens.
More in the way of a social Europe with more social democracy
He was really honest this morning in saying little can be done as to EU immigration while there is free movement.
So he presented the above as part of the solution as to that.
Make the conditions better in the poorer EU Nations and then less will likely want to come to the UK from those Countries.

However Corbyn aside, I really think the 'leave' side will be disappointed even if we leave, as I really believe whoever it is negotiating for the UK, will in the end still accept the free movement of EU citizens anyway to get the best of deals possible with the EU.

I do really hope Corbyn is better prepared for his evening with young voters this week on the EU, and that hopefully he will clarify more as to how he would set out to get the changes he wants in Europe too.

I do also however agree with 'the truth' in that to me too, it does appear that Corbyn would far more prefer to be able to be much more critical of the EU than he is being.
He is definitely uncomfortable in this role of having to be a leading part of the'remain' campaign.


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