But that was also present during the second half of BB12-onwards? BB13 only had that rule for the first two weeks.

And I don't think them being allowed to talk about nominations is why the house was full of obnoxious people - although it did heighten the bitching, backstabbing, and paranoia within the house but that was still present weeks after that rule had been reverted.

And it's not the worst series ever. The majority of series on C5 have been way worse. Nice try loov

Nomination discussions killed Lydia's game, but still C5 best series.

BB14 is still my favourite C5 series. If C5 want to continue with silly editing and twists, BB14 shows the way to do it while still creating a good series. BB15/16 just took it too far and that shows in drop in ratings since BB14. The whole point of twists and secret houses and this that and the other is that it's rare, having one every week doesn't make it a twist, or a secret, it just makes it a part of the format.

There's just so much wrong with the show as it is now, from the casting right down to shopping tasks (which are exactly the same every week, just with a different cover).

It's early days with BB17, there hasn't been anything too bad yet, the reveal of the others/second house was done in a very C4 way (no VTs of people arguing and bitching), the casting is still messy but they've provided entertainment so far and last weeks eviction was amazing, so well produced! Editing is still all over the place and Marcus needs to shut up with some of the silly narrating. Tasks are as unimaginative as always also.

How can people complain about how BB isn't how it used to be on C4 when their favourite C5 series is BB14, you know, the series where the production because unfair and biased, normal nominations were few and far between and there were twists basically every week.

I still think BB14 is a good series, but I just find it silly how people bash BB13 all the time when it was the most natural C5 series ever.

I quite enjoyed the first two weeks where they could discussion nominations - it increased gameplay and it made the dynamics more interesting. But not to the point, where it got constant and boring or tedious like the whole Power Housemate thing in the second week of BB15.

It had a vegetable patch = YAY C4 BB / BACK TO BASICS :cheer2:

that's what killed the series & it set in stone the constant bitching & nastiness, without this rule it might have been more pleasant not unconformable, AWFUL series

I don't think I ever saw them use it :hehe:

I hope you're happy *Crocodile tears & sobs uncontrollably*

Because the production of a series is meaningless when the housemates are sh*te.

BB14's cast saved it, not the production.

BB14's cast was largely dull bar like 3 people.

BB13 had a better cast even if it was filled with vile people.

Take away Gina and Hazel and what do you get from BB14?

It's all subjective really

BB13 was full of the same horrid personality.

BB14 had a good mix.

But BB13 had a better cast anyway :shrug:.

Half of BB14's cast were dull and uninteresting, yet pretty much everyone in BB13 played an important role in the series, even Victoria.

Not really. The series was volatile and nasty because there was a strong divide in the house which stemmed from hatred and personality clashes amongst the housemates. Them being allowed to talk about nominations just meant it benefitted one group more than the other as they were outnumbered.

I mean the two biggest controversies of BB13; Conor's comments towards Deana and Caroline's comments towards Adam had nothing to do with them being allowed to discuss nominations at one point.

You can keep bolding and underlining your opinion - it doesn't make it anything else. :hee:

"Important role" depends what you mean. They were all the same.

Pretty much like I feel about BB17. Just the same personality x18.

Whether you found BB14's dull or not, they were a lot more individual.

BB14's cast was more diverse than BB13's. But diverse doesn't mean it'll always be a good cast. On paper, BB13's cast sounds awful but it worked well.

bb14's cast was awful really lol

The fact that 90% of BB14's storylines focused around Hazel really showed how crap the cast was, they couldn't even create interesting storylines around themselves, it was all Hazel and partly Gina.

Well for me it was good. :oh:

BB13's was like 17's for me. I just can't take to them, they don't keep me interested enough to want to switch on every night.

Yeah, the series long Dexter/Charlie/Callum/Jackie mess revolved around Hazel.

An awful, uninteresting storyline though

That's why I said 90%, and anyway that wasn't even a good story line, it was dull and repetitive.

Yeah, but it was probably the longest lasting one and had nothing to do with Hazel.

Kind of like Deana the victim.

Like legit Conor played a bigger role in BB13 than people like the Twins/Sam/Dan/Sophie played in BB14.

That's saying something

BB14 has a lighter plot and was much more fun, whereas BB13 was darker and heavier.
BB14 was basically around Gina, Dex and Hazel, whereas BB13 had more housemates sharing the highlights (outsiders vs insiders).
So they both have their pros and cons, but they're both great.

Yes, and what an awful role that was. :worry:

BB14 is also really dull in the last few weeks whereas BB13 manages to stay entertaining throughout and never has a dull week (apart from week 7 but even that isn't too bad) and that's purely because it's cast can carry it and make it entertaining, even when 3 big characters where evicted in the first 3 weeks.

I suppose it depends on what it takes to entertain you.

Negativity, shouting and arguing all the time gets boring after about two episodes.

I wpuldn't describe BB13 as shouty though, and there wasn't actually all that many arguments

I'd say this series has got a great mix of arguments and humour so far

There's just something about this year stopping me from wanting to watch. :worry: I have no interest in any of them.

I didn't like the cast that much at first tbh but they've all turned out interesting imo, well apart from Alex who is one of the dullest housemates ever.

IA. That fits more for BB15.

BB13 was more bitchy if anything

Natalie is so screwed </3

Oh wrong thread :joker:

Honestly feel like this series has been very Ch4

Or as MB put it, a very bad impression of a C4 series.

I honestly don't get why if they know viewers enjoyed the Channel 4 series, why they don't go back to that style e.g
- Nobodies in the house, the most famous I can think of on a CH4 civillian series is Derek Laud e.g no reality stars/limited in terms of models...Remember BB6? BB5? Some of the most exciting characters had pretty plain jobs or were students. Kemal worked at a passport office, Craig was a hairdresser, Emma Greenwood worked for a legal company, Makosi was a nurse etc.
- The little audition rooms where they literally had a minute to make a good first impression & the games/discussions they did to prove that they were actually interesting characters
- Going to hiding in a foreign country way before so they didn't see any press. I distinctly remember the places they lived weren't palaces, they were bog-standard isolated places.
- Davina. I like Emma willis but I do kind of miss Davina
- BBLB & BBBM
- 24/7 Live feed
- No music. Ever. There was literally no music at all on launch night apart from their VT's etc.
- Best bits were so much better on CH4, as were the plain VT's of them literally just speaking
- Fun tasks e.g the box task opposed to ones deliberately created to cause arguments
- Lack of food/alcohol. The lack of food caused constant rows in BB6 and it seems now housemates don't even mention food.

There's probably more things I'm missing tbh. I wish they would go back to this but deep down I know they never will.

For Ch4 read "Live feed"