Being intelligent is fine, of course, but it's what other traits you surround that intelligence with that counts. If you use your intelligence to be a judgmental **** stirrer, then of course that's not a good thing.

Is Andy condescending, smug, patronising, and all the rest?

Well, yeah, of course he is.

the tv producers are to blame for exploiting people like him to make money, paying them as celebrities for a limited shelf-life after which they get discarded and spend the rest of their lives chasing tv appearances and cultivating substance abuse/emotional/psychological issues :rolleyes: they should be celebrating people who've achieved something - whether it's becoming a doctor, an astronaut, an author, a scentist, an athlete - rather than just someone on tv because they've hair extensions, false boobs, fake tans, and will do anything for tv exposure and regular trips to sugar hut.

how very dare you be so passive-aggressively smug-faced arsey?

It's sad ......people celebrate being thick ...it's a modern trend....even in the office task they promoted the housemate who kicked off and didn't work ...being stupid is rewarded so much that when someone isn't impressed by it that person gets attacked...it's inverted snobbery....Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour not their position in life but they judge him completely on how academic he is.....for all the shouting and drama and puffing out of the chests that some of them do, the person they are most scared of is Andy.
Lateysha says she's got no GCSEs like it something to be proud of, like its something she's not responsible for.....she's wears her Vulger and course personality like a badge of honour ...Andy represents everything they failed at but that's no reason he should feel ashamed of that or should have to sink to their level....he can't bring them to his level, they will only pull him down to theirs, he's waiting his time trying to reason with morons.

Yes Joey, you can sense that he's so frustrated at being misunderstood and criticised yet he tries so hard to keep his cool and his dignity - and he does an amazing job of it.
When you look at Laytesha and Chelsea losing their heads over trivialities like pancakes, in comparison Andy's composure under personal attack in is even more admirable.

Hes not god though and cant complain when he gets called oit when he is disecting evryones personality himself.

I don't see him as smug at all. He listens and puts his point across in a calm and dignified manner. And he shows moments of kindness like talking to Evelyn before and after the evictions.

so??? how do you feel he's rubbing people's faces in it?

:joker: Yeah, Andy can't win, can he?

i'm failing to see anyone, least of all andy (whom i see as a very nice, normal person of reasonable intellect), thinking he's godlike

gawd, i need to type something i can smug-emote to

Why should he have to listen a cretin like Hughie?

Travellers like Hughie are despised in his own country, for some very good reasons. Why should Andy .listen to someone from a community where Hughie's family upload YouTube videos threatening people?

I haven't seen him dissecting anyone's never mind everyone's personality. Can you give examples?

He may not be god but he thinks hes above everyone who dares talk about someone or something that doesnt interest him.

Mr self rightious leaving the bbc because of a dumb assed boxer slating homosexuality and then being entered into the sports personality of the year, never mind the saville cover ups andy, its not like that hurt anyone.:smug:

So? Did Andy leaving the bbc hurt anyone? Why is that a problem for you?

Yes, he did it with lateysha after their argument, hes done it with jason and charlie infact he does it just about everytime he,s in the diary room...christ he even did it with jackson during tonights episode..:joker:

It just shows me that he loves to play the self righteous card when really it's all just self promotional bull**** designed to hoodwink the gullible viewers.

He cones across as very smug to me, even when I quite liked him at the start you could tell he thought very highly of himself

You've just given me names of people whose personalities you believe he dissected and where, that isn't examples. I didn't see him dissecting anyone's personalities so can you be more specific?

Are you so suspicious of everyone or just intelligent people? :laugh:

:joker::joker::joker::joker:

Can you not just re watch tonights show and watch his discussion with jackson, I'm a bit busy to trawl through hours of recorded episodes.

:joker:
If i can see through his gameplan he aint that intelligent jet..

Yes, I seen it and I noticed nothing out of the ordinary. I didn't see any dissecting of a personality going on. Could you at least explain how he dissected Jackson if you won't give any other examples?

Dont you think him telling jackson that he thought georgina wasnt for him (or sommething like that) means that he must have delved into jacksons personality to be able to come to that conclusion?

Or was it his plant the seed gameplan kicking in again?

Yes he studied him in depth with a microscope and came to the same conclusion after all that delving as most of us did (and some of the other HM's as well.) Really, you can't be serious. :joker:

He must have, on the outside jackson looked happy enough being ordered around by georgina so he must have went baws deep into him to think something different to what jackson has said.

yep, andy is allergic to stupid.

Andy has suggested he has no belief that a God actually exists, so therefore cannot possibly consider himself to be one.

He simply said he thought Georgina wasn't right for him, which many people have said over and over already. No dissecting necessary, many came to that conclusion by watching the show for 45 minutes a night whereas Andy is in there in close proximity 24/7. If a HM you liked had said that to Jackson, would it be a big problem?
Jackson went on to tell Andy how he and Georgina were when alone together and Andy then made a nice comment about what he said. I don't see the problem, I really don't. But Andy will always get flak anyway so it's to be expected. :shrug:

..wow, as much as Andy should be proud of his academic acheivements..(whatever they all are..)..I really don't see those lack of academic achievements as any measure of 'failure' in anyone.../they say nothing whatsoever about a person and Lateysha for instance has just as much reason to feel a similar pride to Andy...

Read my post again. .. I said Andy judges them on their appalling behaviour towards him, not by their position in life...Its THEY who judge Andy by his position in life ... He only measures them by how they treat others, by their lack of self discipline and by the pride they take in being immature and unintelligent. That's where they have failed in comparison to Andy. You are assuming it's about his academic achievements just like they do. Every situation in the house that has made Andy respected on the outside people like Lateysha and Sam have failed by behaving the exact opposite. That's their choices but when those choices blow up in their faces they blame other people for it in this case Andy.

....hmmm, no actually my comments were about 'failure' being attached to lack of academic achievements is all...I didn't comment on how Andy judged people...

Lateyshas lack of learning is not the failure, it's her lack of wanting to learn and her refusal to listen or learn from the examples placed in front her that are the failure.
She could have learnt from Georgina how to be less Vulger in how she speaks but she didn't.
She could learn from Jason how to have self control when being confronted but instead encouraged Charlie's tirade of abusive.
She could learn from Andy how to be heard without shouting and screaming but instead dismissed the idea and just shouted even louder then before.

She's stupid. And because Andy isn't she judging him for it.

Too busy shouting to ever listen.

..I still don't understand how she would be termed as stupid and Andy not by this...so basically being herself and has been herself throughout her time in there and Andy also being himself through his time, so the same really..neither is stupid or more intelligent, just different characters/personalities and just down to us, the viewers, which we find more things we like to see in someone in the context of a gameshow situation...this has no bearing though on the original descriptions of 'celebrating thick', 'morons' or 'failed'....I don't see any lessons that are being learned in the house from any of them, which is mostly the case in all BB's anyway...these would be more things that would be learned in re-visiting and reflecting etc..(and watching back on video..)...so, I don't think that's something of relevance atm...(I don't see Georgina as never having been 'vulgar' in some things that she said about Evelyn..)...:laugh:...but her terminology was spoken in a much more posh accent...terminology though is just words, nothing more and nothing less... it doesn't really tell me much about a person so it's not something I consider very much with someone's character...some very quiet/controlled people can be quite nasty and some very shouty, sweary ones can be quite lovely, I find....

His pitiful attempt at explaining to Jason and Natalie - who by all means were quiet and willing to hear him out - why we should stay in the EU pretty much confirmed him as an intellectual lightweight (even though I'm team Remain :p)

He seems to have no patience in explaining what he finds objectionable or wrong with what the others talk about, and I'm so bored of him whining in the diary room about no one being on his supposed level. His shutdown of Sam's ghost story was rude, his objections to "talking about Jason" are futile and pointlessly self-righteous since...well...everyone talks about people they know. That is a fact of life. That he gets so upset and feels the need to even things out is through no other interest than trying to make himself a wonderful pariah, tbh.

Just find it laughable that some are all flocking towards the 'nice guy' now after deriding Chloe's win and championing Helen's. Especially when this is a guy whose VT literally introduced himself as "that brave soul who tackled mean old Tyson Fury :( :( :("

YES:clap1::clap1:

.....sanctimonious...

Mark L

But not everyone has to like or accept it. It takes all sorts. What are things coming to when someone not liking people talking behind backs is seen as a terrible characteristic to have..
Jason IS his friend and that's where his loyalty lies.

....as opposed to the others who take on board all criticism and change their ways immediately? Have you seen how THEY react to anything negative? :joker:
Andy listens very well when he is not being yelled at or goaded. When that happens his defences go up and he becomes a bit stiff and introverted. How he remains so calm I just don't know. They yell at him and lose their heads while he remains articulate and composed and they can't stand that. Why doesn't he shout back? Why doesn't he get in my face? What a arrogant ass!

He listened to advice from Jason and last night from Jayne and said to her that he'd take her advice on board. They spoke to him adult to adult, not yelling attention seeking harpie to adult.

:joker: I know how he must feel at times jet.