Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8827981)

...I don't agree Jet about his humour..well, I sort of do, it's not that I haven't seen it as such but I think that his humour has often been negative humour in trying to make others look bad and it's not particularly a humour that I have much admiration for..a kind of 'superiority' humour...it wasn't like that in last night's HLs though, he really was enjoying his housemates and I think that he was feeling differently and needing to join in more and appreciate them because of how much Jason was bringing down his spirits...(I think..)..that Andy has maybe allowed Jason to 'exclude' himself from the group and fun by feeding him negativity...but hopefully, Andy is seeing that more now....it was great to see him having such fun but also, having a more positive humour..rather than there often seeming to be an 'edge' to it...

...and yeah, the same as with Armand...I hope that he keeps this Andy up because I think there was genuine enjoyment of his fellow housemates last night ..and them for him as well....

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828062)

Yet all the time Andy was upset,cried, was down,moped around, everyone saying he was a liar, a snake, a game player, nearly the whole house not liking him Jason was there supporting him, listening to him waffle on about the situation, he didnt let Andy be excluded.

On the humour, i think he has a dry sarcastic sense of humour that not all like this but he has had time now to understand other HM's humours and them him so i dont think they view it has him been above them anymore, they just understand him more.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8828068)

Exactly this ellen,funny how people overlook things that happened like the lovely hug Jason gave Andy when no one else wanted to know him, when it was Andy who felt ostracised and isolated, it was Jason who stood in his corner

Now the roles are reversed and Andy finds himself welcomed to the fold, whilst Jason is the one who is alone ,and look what happens,


I like Andy,but wasn't so keen on him forgetting what a good friend Jason has been

Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 8828079)

Why not be happy ?.
He has let his mate Jason do the dirty work & get rid of two HM's that Andy did not like & in doing so became the new house snake, replacing him.
He is done with Jason now.
He will now try to be everybody's new best mate & watch Jason get evicted.
I like Andy when he stands up to others but this new Andy is fake.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828087)

I was wondering this myself.

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 8828071)

Simple game playing.
Andy has always looked down his nose at most of them, due to his superior intelligence (his perceived superior ntelligence that is) .
Only one reason he joined in with the party really, to distance himself away from Jason, after hearing the crowd reception, the same way he crawled up his backside when he was cheered

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8828095)

Well if Jason goes this week I was championing Andy for the win,but now I am having doubts

Originally Posted by Tarryn (Post 8828079)

Why not be happy ?.
He has let his mate Jason do the dirty work & get rid of two HM's that Andy did not like & in doing so became the new house snake, replacing him.
He is done with Jason now.
He will now try to be everybody's new best mate & watch Jason get evicted.
I like Andy when he stands up to others but this new Andy is fake.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828062)

Yet all the time Andy was upset,cried, was down,moped around, everyone saying he was a liar, a snake, a game player, nearly the whole house not liking him Jason was there supporting him, listening to him waffle on about the situation, he didnt let Andy be excluded.

On the humour, i think he has a dry sarcastic sense of humour that not all like this but he has had time now to understand other HM's humours and them him so i dont think they view it has him been above them anymore, they just understand him more.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828124)

Andy has cried once and he has NEVER moped around. He has never excluded HIMSELF. He was there for Jason when the whole house turned on him, he had spend all day trying to gee him up and god forbid he enjoy a party and let his hair down just because Jason is being a misery guts. But I guess it's time to turn on Andy to take the bad look off Jason.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828136)

Disagree...
Andy has moped around, a lot. He has excluded himself. He sat in the DR moaning about the situation. He sat around for days talking about other HM's and how they dont understand him to Jason.
Jason is moping, i never said he wasnt :conf:
I never said Andy couldnt enjoy a party either :conf:

Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 8828145)

To be fair at the time he was being ostracized from most of house for a long long time...that has to be uncomfy and not a nice place to live in... and now finally he is free to be himself relax and have fun without everything he does and says being brought up by the house...

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828136)

Disagree...
Andy has moped around, a lot. He has excluded himself. He sat in the DR moaning about the situation. He sat around for days talking about other HM's and how they dont understand him to Jason.
Jason is moping, i never said he wasnt :conf:
I never said Andy couldnt enjoy a party either :conf:

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828186)

It's funny we watch the same programme and see different things. I have never seen Andy moping around. I have seen him talking about his situation. Two different things. He picks himself up very quickly. He has always kept his sense of humour and didn't let the others bring him down.
He has never excluded himself either. Even when he was being excluded by some there were others he interacted with and sat with. He has always been the same to me.
....And I agree, you didn't say he couldn't enjoy the party. :wavey:

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828104)

Yeah i with you on this.
Jason never once wavered on his support of Andy nor did he vocalise wether he agreed with Andy or not to any other HM he was just there for him. It would be a shame if Andy now dropped the one who has been a big support for him the whole way through.

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8828095)

Well if Jason goes this week I was championing Andy for the win,but now I am having doubts

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 8828071)

Simple game playing.
Andy has always looked down his nose at most of them, due to his superior intelligence (his perceived superior ntelligence that is) .
Only one reason he joined in with the party really, to distance himself away from Jason, after hearing the crowd reception, the same way he crawled up his backside when he was cheered

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828200)

Maybe you missed when they were choosing who to give immunity to between Andy and Jayne Jason didn't say anything when they were all going for Jayne. It was Jackson who jumped in and gave a very strong case for Andy. Jason said nought.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because Jason might have said something that wasn't shown, just as Andy could have gone into the garden and spoke to Jason during the party and it wasn't shown.
But if edits aren't taken into account, then Jason wasn't there for Andy for immunity. It works both ways.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828211)

I thought Jason had explained all about that to Andy?

Originally Posted by TT350 (Post 8828219)

If he wins, I can imagine what he'd be thinking.

"God. I'm so intelligent. I pulled the wool over the whole nations eyes. I am simply amazing. Invincible. Jesus, my intellect is a force of nature. I mean, damn that Hawkins mong in the wheelchair is smart but I,... I am all knowing all seeing. Did I create the universe but my intelligence held the memory from me in order to keep me humble amongst mortals?"

No you just outwitted a few fame seeking lunatics with the IQ of a tetley tea bag (used).

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828222)

I don't know what you mean Ellen. :conf:

Originally Posted by hot2go (Post 8827392)

Andy has been upbeat all along for me but the younger ones only recognise their own kind of upbeat....Andys made me laugh since day one.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828085)

I do like Andy as well but its rattled me a bit how Andy seems to have forgotten how much Jason was there for him :fist:

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828124)

Andy has cried once and he has NEVER moped around. He has never excluded HIMSELF. He was there for Jason when the whole house turned on him, he had spend all day trying to gee him up and god forbid he enjoy a party and let his hair down just because Jason is being a misery guts. But I guess it's time to turn on Andy to take the bad look off Jason.

Originally Posted by TT350 (Post 8828197)

Didn't stop him bitching in the diary room about Jason's accent.

Andy...go do that to his face you untermensch.

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828267)

I could be wrong but i thought Jason and Andy had a convo about the immune vote?

Originally Posted by TT350 (Post 8828219)

If he wins, I can imagine what he'd be thinking.

"God. I'm so intelligent. I pulled the wool over the whole nations eyes. I am simply amazing. Invincible. Jesus, my intellect is a force of nature. I mean, damn that Hawkins mong in the wheelchair is smart but I,... I am all knowing all seeing. Did I create the universe but my intelligence held the memory from me in order to keep me humble amongst mortals?"
.

Originally Posted by Jan S (Post 8828334)

they did :)

Originally Posted by Ellen (Post 8828062)

Yet all the time Andy was upset,cried, was down,moped around, everyone saying he was a liar, a snake, a game player, nearly the whole house not liking him Jason was there supporting him, listening to him waffle on about the situation, he didnt let Andy be excluded.

On the humour, i think he has a dry sarcastic sense of humour that not all like this but he has had time now to understand other HM's humours and them him so i dont think they view it has him been above them anymore, they just understand him more.

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828345)

:joker: I can imagine Andy saying this in the DR and it being taken deadly seriously. You just don't get him, do you? :joker:

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828347)

Could you give me the gist of it Jan?

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 8828068)

Exactly this ellen,funny how people overlook things that happened like the lovely hug Jason gave Andy when no one else wanted to know him, when it was Andy who felt ostracised and isolated, it was Jason who stood in his corner

Now the roles are reversed and Andy finds himself welcomed to the fold, whilst Jason is the one who is alone ,and look what happens,


I like Andy,but wasn't so keen on him forgetting what a good friend Jason has been

Originally Posted by Jan S (Post 8828361)

i've been waiting for the haters to slate him over his ''egotisitcal'' comments about his body compared to alex's :D


i think it's where jason was telling andy that if he'd had any sense he'd not have voted to give andy immunity since he saw andy as more of a threat to his own chances of surviving in the house than jayne, but then he decided it didn't matter and he went with his heart over his head even if it meant he'd just shot himself in the foot. basically :D wanted to do what felt right rather than what was in his own best interest.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8828364)

Also true

Andy is playing the game now.Getting in with the group while poor old Jason gets left hung out to dry

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8828364)

Also true

Andy is playing the game now.Getting in with the group while poor old Jason gets left hung out to dry

Originally Posted by jet (Post 8828200)

Maybe you missed when they were choosing who to give immunity to between Andy and Jayne Jason didn't say anything when they were all going for Jayne. It was Jackson who jumped in and gave a very strong case for Andy. Jason said nought.
I gave him the benefit of the doubt because Jason might have said something that wasn't shown, just as Andy could have gone into the garden and spoke to Jason during the party and it wasn't shown.
But if edits aren't taken into account, then Jason wasn't there for Andy for immunity. It works both ways.