Doing nothing (although most of the 'boring winners' actually had cute moments) is a lot better than actively ruining the show like Helen and Bear did

I don't want it to be in extremes all of the time though Macie.

I'd like it if a Freddie Fisher, Kieran McLeod, James Whale, or a Lisa BB9 type of winner where they're eccentric/witty whilst still being likable and not in your face all of the time, yet we never get those and instead have loud in your face type of winners like Bear, or we get really dull Chloe from BB16 type of winners.

is Kieran McLeod seriously your go-to example of an eccentric HM?

James Hill :love:

His humour was kind of chilled out for Ch5 standards, it was refreshing and eccentric for them.:joker:

"gap year for chavs" and "YAY you're back :)" are much more witty and eccentric than anything Kieran ever said or did

As is all the hysteria and hyperbole surrounding dislikeable contestants winning reality TV programmes being 'scum' like it's the end of the world and a cultural failure etc etc etc, talk about 'doing the most'

Anyway I haven't watched three quarters of this series and I didn't rate Bear that much when I stopped so the inevitable debate that'll now ensue as members of this forum try and paint me as some villain is entirely pointless and misplaced, so let's quit while we're ahead shall we

Kieran in two weeks did more than most of the BB16 final, or this final for that matter.:joker:

Kieran did literally nothing in his 2 weeks

He's definitely awful, it's not a defense of him, I just thought Helen's awfulness seemed to come more naturally to her, which puts her ahead of him imo.

I didn't to be fair, I'm just going on what I saw of her in BB16. I can't bring myself to watch BB15 [emoji23]

Just because Kieran wasn't in your face doesn't mean that he didn't do anything.

He made social blunders with Sarah and Eileen, and Adjoa which was amusing to watch.

And he was actually likable.

He liked to have fun.

He used to start up games for people to join in.

And tbh it was no coincidence that Danny became an unbearable nightmare after Kieran left, and that the series missed a bit of fun that Kieran would bring to the house.

I know that Kieran isn't a sassy female Housemate so some of you will have it against him for that, but he brought positivity into his series which is always a good thing imo, and he kept Danny quiet.:joker:

Would you rather get Zika or Ebola?

People still freaking out about Helen like they are on some 1600s witch hunt 'burn the witch, burn the witch!'

Bit pathetic to be honest

Helen, 100%.

At least Helen was still gracious and humble at her win, unlike "I told you I'd win!"

Well I have to agree with you there...both vile in different ways,

I won over £300 on Helen winning and it still was hard to swallow because I utterly despise her.

I lost £20 on Bear winning, and it still makes me SO happy that I might legitimately shed a happy little tear as I fall asleep tonight, huge grin on my face.

Sooo...

Helen was a total cow but at least she showed a somewhat human side to her on very rare occasions. I also think her beating Ashleigh is what made her win so unbelievably depressing. She stopped us from having probably the best winner since Nadia.

I could literally write paragraphs on why I despise Bear with every fibre of my being, but I'll put it like this, I have the exact same thoughts about his win that I would have had if Conor had won BB13.

So yeah, Bear is a worse winner.

Yep, this.

What you mean like a 10 year old... thats how most kids behave the fact as grown adults they couldnt just rise above his stupidity amazes me, its cause deep down they all knew he was a favourite to win and they HATED the fact :laugh:

As for the poll its flawed wheres the option for 2 of the best winners of ch5 era?

Don't think either are vile tbh. But I prefer Bear to Helen

Both terrible but at least Helen came out with some iconic quotes and got Matthew evicted