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the truth 27-09-2016 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 8993113)
LOL yeah, I would be taken really seriously for reporting a butt pinch to the police? :laugh: And no, of course I am not saying only men talk over women and never the other way around...but it happens more (ina professional environment) that men speak over women, and men are more listened to than women simply for being men. About technical stuff women can never know apparently as they are sweet little flowers that should be in the kitchen, not working in a 'mans environment'. Hell, last year I was in the apple shop and saw some guy umming and ahhing about some ridiculously pricey tablet he was wanting and asked for help, a woman came over and he said he wanted someone who 'actually knows what they are talking about' and beckoned a bloke over, who told the guy that the woman was actually best qualified and would be better to answer. That was quite funny to witness..and its definitely not the only instance of this kind of thing I have seen :p



Indeed.

About feminism...its not something I really know anything about, always just assumed that feminism was about fighting for womens rights tbh. So I bow to your superior knowledge :laugh:

Ive heard infinitely more sexist comments from women about men in the wokplace...ive heard women almost always be cruder and lewder, ive heard all men are assh^oles and such like and women claim no man can do the job theyre doing and endless other systematic male hate passive aggressive sexist drivel that is allowed to pass. the vast majority of women working in the banking call centres I used to work would argue with customers all day and night and cut the phones off and all sorts. taking the vast amount of calls and complaints as personal sleights against them personally. when all it was in reality was people desperate to speak to their bank account managers and desperate to get funds. empathy for customers didnt exist at that call centre, the staff weer far more concerned with their own feelings

Vicky. 27-09-2016 11:42 PM

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8993166)
Government Sponsored Sexism
1) Real sexism is almost no shelters for male victims of domestic violence.
2) Real sexism is men getting harsher punishments for the same crime.
3) Real sexism is countries with compulsorily military service for men.
4) Real sexism, courts that takes children from fathers based on gender.
5) Men cannot even vote or get citizenship without enrolling for the draft.
6) Real sexism is numerous government departments dealing with women's issues but none dealing with men's issues.
7) Male infant circumcision/genital mutilation is legal and performed widely and even completely socially accepted but female genital mutilation is not.
8) A young boy raped by a woman can be forced to pay child support to his rapist if she gets pregnant, that's real sexism.
9) Many countries do not even recognize female on male rape. It can maximally only amount to “sexual assault” that's real sexism.
10) Real sexism is having no special laws like VAWA to protect men, even though men are the majority of victims of violent crime.
11) There are drives to fill quotas for women for the high paid roles but not in the dangerous jobs dominated by men, thats real sexism.
12) In the army, police, fire service or any other position women have to meet much lower physical standards than men.
13) Real sexism is services for men only given a fraction of the funds that services for women are given at a government and a social level.
14) For the same crime, irrespective of the gender of the offender, the perpetrator gets more punishment if the victim is female rather than male.
15) Most divorce laws are skewed against men, men can lose half his properly, money and children to a woman who decides to leave him.
He is expected to pay for this betrayal, especially if he has already provided for and supported her, this is real sexism

Oh god..I had a HUGE argument about this the other day. So many people piled on me saying its a religious thing so fine and its medically beneficial and such. I also discovered ( :yuk: ) that in some circles the done thing is (or was) to
get the person performing the circumcision to suck the blood from the babies penis...

Ammi 28-09-2016 05:22 AM

...that Bonmarche ad is just awful...I've seen a few social experiment type vids and the complete difference in reactions from the general public, when a female is 'the victim' in aggressive situations and many will help/intervene...as opposed to when a female is being aggressive to a male and there is sometimes laughter at that situation../hahahaha, he must have been a naughty boy then, type thing...:sad:...

Northern Monkey 28-09-2016 07:06 AM

Well the test is that somebody should make the same ad but with men as the aggressors instead of the victims and see how long it lasts.

Ammi 28-09-2016 07:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8993437)
Well the test is that somebody should make the same ad but with men as the aggressors instead of the victims and see how long it lasts.

...on a positive though, at least males don't have Bonmarche shops/clothes...(ooops, I hope there are no Bonmarche fans on the forum...)...

Northern Monkey 28-09-2016 08:37 AM

I had women grab my balls when i've been out on many occasions.Women are just as bad if not worse because they can get away with it.If i had'nt kind of enjoyed it i might have got all emotional:laugh:

Niamh. 28-09-2016 09:19 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8992904)
I agree with the Truth.If we are going to allow violence against men in advertising then we need more violence against women too.Or better still no violence against anyone.There's a novel idea

:laugh: Yes, I think this is the right answer

Livia 28-09-2016 09:41 AM

Up till around fifty-odd years ago, sexism against women in advertising wasn't only the norm, it was de rigueur. It's taken a long time for women to gain some kind of equality... what a shame that some women have gone on to use that equality to do to men what men did to women for centuries. Respect - both ways - it's the only answer.

Crimson Dynamo 28-09-2016 10:24 AM

These shoes are awful


Amy Jade 28-09-2016 10:28 AM

The advert is crap but you'd swear she was knifing men with the reaction on here.

One guy trips over, another she's too busy talking to notice so let's a door swing on him and the rest is her knocking men haphazardly - if anything she looks a twat for being so interested in clothes she's being ignorant and you feel bad for the men.

Withano 28-09-2016 10:30 AM

I dont really understand how you only found evidence of this happening one way and not both.. Its like you purposely went out to only find evidence that supports your own opinions. (We all know this is what you did, I'm just being playful).

the truth 28-09-2016 11:55 AM

This trash should simply not be acceptable.

Lostie! 28-09-2016 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by ESCArgy (Post 8992516)
Are you kidding me? You are talking about "discrimination against men" while unfortunately, we live in a society where women are considered inferior and have many less opportunities in every single sector? Please stop it, it's ridiculous. This "sexism against males thing" doesn't even exist. You've made it up.

Misandry absolutely exists and it's absurd that people insist on pretending it doesn't. There are situations where women are at a disadvantage, yes, but the same goes for men.

Just look at the general attitude towards men being assaulted by women and how casually it's treated. I watched a social experiment online where actors simulated domestic abuse in public and barely anyone cared when the man was the victim, some even said they assumed he deserved it. Then there's when The View panelists laughed at the story of a woman castrating her husband and when one of them brought up the double standard, the response was, and I quote, "It's different". It's things like this that result in male victims of domestic violence being less inclined to speak out, because there's still a disturbing trend of female-on-male violence being seen as funny and/or warranted.

So no, nobody's making anything up.

Ammi 28-09-2016 12:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 8993549)
Misandry absolutely exists and it's absurd that people insist on pretending it doesn't. There are situations where women are at a disadvantage, yes, but the same goes for men.

Just look at the general attitude towards men being assaulted by women and how casually it's treated. I watched a social experiment online where actors simulated domestic abuse in public and barely anyone cared when the man was the victim, some even said they assumed he deserved it. Then there's when The View panelists laughed at the story of a woman castrating her husband and when one of them brought up the double standard, the response was, and I quote, "It's different". It's things like this that result in male victims of domestic violence being less inclined to speak out, because there's still a disturbing trend of female-on-male violence being seen as funny and/or warranted.

So no, nobody's making anything up.


..yeah I totally agree Lostie and said earlier that some of those social experiments are extremely disturbing because it's not just that reactions are less to help a male but also that I many situations, it's actually laughed at and go girl, type thing in applauding the female....

Lostie! 28-09-2016 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 8993550)
..yeah I totally agree Lostie and said earlier that some of those social experiments are extremely disturbing because it's not just that reactions are less to help a male but also that I many situations, it's actually laughed at and go girl, type thing in applauding the female....

Absolutely. Both the experiment I watched and that Talk fiasco (it was The Talk, I always mix it up with The View :laugh:) treated it like some form of female empowerment (the example from The Talk was even more unsettling because it was such a savage act and the first response was to laugh and basically act like he probably had it coming :umm2:).

While these sentiments are still around, I find it impossible to deny that prejudice against males exists. It does and the evidence is there, and acknowledging that doesn't in anyway invalidate the struggles that women face themselves.

the truth 28-09-2016 12:52 PM

Social sexism against men
16) Real sexism is being mocked when raped because you're a man.
17) Men are expected to not show emotion and remain stoic at all times.
18) Victim blaming is acceptable ONLY when men are the victims and women the perpetrator. This is real sexism.
19) Real sexism is having your gender stereotyped by society as being violent, abusers, etc.
20) Men’s lives are given less value in any emergency situation.
21) Male children are often given harsher punishments by teachers for the same level of mischief as girls.
22) Young boys are given less care and attention by parents than girls and beaten over twice as often as girls by parents.
23) Violence against men by women is much more socially acceptable.
24) Affirmative action for women only in jobs, education, grants, etc.
25) Men enrolled in are often given tougher, more dangerous tasks to perform than women in the same post (in a job) This is real sexism.
27) Males who complain about being objectified are shamed as being “mentally fragile” or their sexuality is questioned. This is real sexism.
28) Men do not have the privilege of showing affection to each other in public as women without people questioning their sexuality.
29) Men are expected to ask women out, pay for dates, decide on the venue – if she rejects him he is often labelled creepy or needy.
30) If a man slaps a woman, he is an abuser and a monster, If a woman slaps a man, “he must have done something to annoy her”
31) When a man breaks up with a woman, he is called a “jerk”. When a woman dumps a man, “he must have failed her somehow”
32) Men are excluded from many positions such as babysitters, etc.
33) Young men having to pay higher car insurance is acceptable but the idea of women having to pay more for health insurance is not.
34) Despite the fact that the real victims of sexual discrimination are men the term sexual discrimination usually excludes men and the vast majority of surveys and news stories about sexual discrimination dont include men.
35) Our culture and media makes the assumption of men as guilty, violent offenders where as women are given special treatment at every turn.
36) In modern movies and TV violence against men is glorified but violence against women is regarded as especially horrific.
37) Many news reports will read the number of people killed and then highlight women and children as more tragic than male death.
EG: "37 people were killed in a bus crash including 17 women"
38) Men are expected to carry heavy things for women, give up their seats for women, shovel snow, mow gardens and do any other job involving manual labour, that women do not wish to perform.
39) Real sexism is a society where men are taught that a man's role is to work, provide, pay and die in order to ensure a woman's happiness.
40) Real sexism is the fact that men working longer hours in harder more dangerous jobs to earn more money to pay for women's choices is being turned into a weapon against men.

the truth 28-09-2016 12:56 PM

Children from fatherless homes


Are 5 times more likely to commit suicide
20 times more likely to have behavioural disorders
30 times more likely to run away from home
9 times more likely to drop out of school
10 times more likley to abuse chemical substances
9 times more likley to end up in a government funded institution
20 times more likely to end up in prison

the truth 28-09-2016 12:58 PM

Female Privilege
Women receive lighter sentences and a higher chance of acquittal 1
94% of sexually abused youth in correctional facilities reported being abused by female staff. Only 40% of the staff is female.
Inmates reporting staff sexual misconduct, ~ 65% reported a female aggressor
Study of US college women - 12% of the respondents reported ever using any type of force strategy while 43% reported using a coercion strategy and 92% reported using a seduction strategy to initiate sex.
Mothers kill children at twice the rate of fathers.
For Every 100 girls..
Women actually control 80% of household spending, and 51.3% of private wealth.
Women receive custody in over 90% of divorce proceedings
Women initiating divorce between 66% and 90% of the time.
Women make up the majority of college graduates
School system favors girls starting from Kindergarten
Feminists being horrible
Feminists skewed the Definition of Domestic Abuse, resulting in only male abusers being arrested and female abusers not.
Feminists’s DV training hurts Police training
Feminist Mary Koss denies male rape victims.
Feminists violently protesting against Warren Farrell at U of Toronto
A mob of feminists at a protest attack and sexually molesting a group of Rosary-praying Catholic men who were peacefully protecting a cathedral in San Juan from vandalism.
Feminists disrupt a forum for battered men
Feminists fought a law for equal custody to be the default if both parents want custody and neither parent is unfit. Multiple times.
Feminists started a campaign against Father’s rights groups
Feminists fought against laws granting men anonymity until charged with the crime of rape—not convicted, just charged.
Feminists fought against a law to end to the justice system favoring women and giving men harsher sentences simply because they are men.
Feminist fought against men want equal treatment when victims of domestic violence, and to not be arrested for the crime of “being male” under primary aggressor policies.
Feminists in India and Israel fought against female rapists being arrested & charged.
Feminists fought against economic stimulus for male-dominated job such as construction
Feminist fought a law against Paternity Fraud.
Hateful Quotes by Feminsts
Feminist Harriet Harman has publicly requested employers to hire women in preference to White men if both job candidates are equally
Equality Minister,feminist Patricia Hewitt, found guilty of breaching the Sex Discrimination Act by “overlooking a strong male candidate in favour of a weaker female applicant”.
Elected in 2009, the lesbian feminist prime minister Johanna Sigurdardottir has vowed to “end of the Age of Testosterone
Feminists want to make peeing while standing illegal
Erin Pizzey had to flee the UK because she & her family received death threats & her dog was shot because feminists didn’t like that she stated women were just as violent as men.
Suzanne Steinmetz & her children received bomb & death threats when she found the rate at which men were victimized was similar to the rate for women.
Richard Gelles & Murray Straus received death threats from feminists for publishing findings that female-to-male family violence was equal to male-to-female violence.
More
Warmongering/evil female rulers in history but feminists fight the draught for women.
Suffragettes commit arson attacks and vandalism before shaming men into war for bribes.

the truth 28-09-2016 12:59 PM

Vat amounts of women simply use men for money

70% of UK women would instantly change their minds about leaving a boring man if he won a lottery jackpot. 78% of US women said a partner with a steady job was the most important trait in a future spouse. 75% said they’d have a problem with dating someone without a job. Only 4% would go out with an unemployed man. 70% of Chinese women expect a man to provide an apartment along with a cash marriage offer.



Feminism Debunked
"The Wage Gap"
The Wage Gap is a myth. 1 2
Women tend to choose majors that pay a lower national median pay.
Women Now a Majority in American Workplaces
Labor force participation rate for men has never been lower.
Women in some cases make more than men.
And their husbands dont have a problem with it either.
Women CHOOSE to stay away from STEM field
There is no STEM gender gap in the U.S
Women In Tech Make More Money And Land Better Jobs Than Men
Domestic Violence
Women are perpetrators often as men.
Women are more violent
Domestic violence being equally committed by women, only males get arrested
Men are over 40% of domestic abuse victims
Male DV victims are discriminated against
Gay and bi men experience abuse in intimate partner relationships at a rate of 2 in 5, which is comparable to the rate of domestic violence experienced by heterosexual women.
About 17-45% of lesbians report having been the victim of a least one act of physical violence perpetrated by a lesbian partner (1,5,6,13).
Men or DV is Not the leading cause of death among women under 50
More DV facts
Rape Culture
Statistics doesn’t back up Rape culture
RAINN debunks Rape culture
"97% of rapists never see a day in jail" is a myth
Lesbian on Lesbian Rape
Inflation of anti-human trafficking statistics
Men who are falsely accused of rape can have their names published and their lives ruined even if they are not convicted or charged - their accuser is protected and is likely to face no punishment, or a light one.
Under a federal directive, men are convicted of rape in university if the investigating board finds that the chances they committed the rape are at 50.00001% or greater.
The DOE policy in practice: Caleb Warner was accused of rape and expelled from the University of North Dakota, then his accuser was charged with filing a false report. He remains expelled as of June 2011
Woman rapes boy, woman becomes pregnant, boy must paid child support.
40% of rapists are female 1
Definition of rape, erases victims of rape who are forced to penetrate, generally men who are forced to have sex with women.
Men are raped in the military
Men Outnumber Women Among American Rape Victims
Male statutory rape victims forced to pay child support
59% of the rapists had been heterosexually molested.
Female Pedophiles Cause Children More Harm
males and females carried out sexual violence at strikingly similar rates after the age of 18
Female-on-male sexual assault is under reported
Mens Issues
A man is approximately 165% more likely to be convicted than a woman
Men are significantly more likely to be the victims of violent crime
Men and Boys are doing worse in educational, from kindergarten to university.
Men suffer from Paternity fraud
Female business owners get money from the government for being female. Males?no
Some Airlines, have banned male from sitting next to children because they are men.
Rape of males in Prison and jail
Male circumcision is still legal
Men often coerced into sex: study
Boy victims of sex trafficking ignored
Men are 93 % of work place death/violence.
Eating disorders among men and boys
Demonization of Male Sexuality
Catastrophically high suicide male rate
Literally zero male shelters
75-80% of the Homeless are men
Family courts are bais against men.
Divorced men are 40% more likely to commit suicide

Shaun 28-09-2016 01:03 PM

The only post I'll make on this subject and other similar ones where a smaller "persecution" aspect of society is happening but is overlooked because of the opposite (racism against whites, heterophobia, etc.) is that it's all very fair and well to say that these things do indeed exist, and are a problem, but the types of people you see campaigning against them... you almost always never see them campaigning against racism, or sexism, or homophobia. So it comes off as incredibly problematic. If your sole political motivation is to make sure that white people aren't called vanilla all the time on Twitter, and you're going to at best ignore the thousands of instances of racial abuse, then it comes across as incredibly blinkered.

I do agree that you get a tough time on here sometimes truth but honestly I have never once seen you express any form of awareness of discrimination against women; in fact you often propagate it yourself.

And it's a real problem amongst the growing Trump/Milo crowds. They see their persecution and their "lack of freedom of speech" as a real thing. As if being told off and banned from Twitter for encouraging people to call black celebrities gorillas is a burden.

the truth 28-09-2016 01:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Shaun (Post 8993621)
The only post I'll make on this subject and other similar ones where a smaller "persecution" aspect of society is happening but is overlooked because of the opposite (racism against whites, heterophobia, etc.) is that it's all very fair and well to say that these things do indeed exist, and are a problem, but the types of people you see campaigning against them... you almost always never see them campaigning against racism, or sexism, or homophobia. So it comes off as incredibly problematic. If your sole political motivation is to make sure that white people aren't called vanilla all the time on Twitter, and you're going to at best ignore the thousands of instances of racial abuse, then it comes across as incredibly blinkered.

I do agree that you get a tough time on here sometimes truth but honestly I have never once seen you express any form of awareness of discrimination against women; in fact you often propagate it yourself.

And it's a real problem amongst the growing Trump/Milo crowds. They see their persecution and their "lack of freedom of speech" as a real thing. As if being told off and banned from Twitter for encouraging people to call black celebrities gorillas is a burden.

Why would I be talking about discrimination against women when Im talking about this grotesque discrimination against men? am I mean to say at the end of every sentence, oh but women get it hard too? Everyone is quite aware women get discriminated against too....In the 3rd world countries obviously that is much worse , though i reject the simplistic notion its often just men wanting to keep them down. In 3rd world nations the poverty the lack of education the lack of medical supplies and infrastructure, the endless wars all make these environments more wild and unruly and its about survival as much as anything else...We simply cant equate what happens there with the priveliged culture of the western world...Here discrimination aginst men is massively greater than against women.

The mass media and the political establishment do a fine job of highlighting every single problem women have from the major ones to the minscule ones. I am here to speak for the silent majority of men who are massively discriminated against. I dont and wont qualify every sentence with but women have it hard too, there are infinitely more male bashing sexist comments here and across the media than the other way around.

I realise I will be crucified on here and banned endlessly. That doesnt make one blind bit of difference to me , ban me forever, I wont be silenced, the truth is the truth and the truth will set you free!

Niamh. 28-09-2016 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8993633)
Why would I be talking about discrimination against women when Im talking about this grotesque discrimination against men? am I mean to say at the end of every sentence, oh but women get it hard too? Everyone is quite aware women get discriminated against too....In the 3rd world countries obviously that is much worse , though i reject the simplistic notion its often just men wanting to keep them down. In 3rd world nations the poverty the lack of education the lack of medical supplies and infrastructure, the endless wars all make these environments more wild and unruly and its about survival as much as anything else...We simply cant equate what happens there with the priveliged culture of the western world...Here discrimination aginst men is massively greater than against women.

The mass media and the political establishment do a fine job of highlighting every single problem women have from the major ones to the minscule ones. I am here to speak for the silent majority of men who are massively discriminated against. I dont and wont qualify every sentence with but women have it hard too, there are infinitely more male bashing sexist comments here and across the media than the other way around.

I realise I will be crucified on here and banned endlessly. That doesnt make one blind bit of difference to me , ban me forever, I wont be silenced, the truth is the truth and the truth will set you free!

You seem to expect women to talk about male discrimination all the time though

the truth 28-09-2016 01:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8993654)
You seem to expect women to talk about male discrimination all the time though

I expect the truth

Niamh. 28-09-2016 01:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by the truth (Post 8993658)
I expect the truth

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/trth.gif

Mokka 28-09-2016 01:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8993661)

:joker::joker:

Crimson Dynamo 28-09-2016 01:41 PM

Not the women bullying The Truth in his own women are sexist to men thread

what kind of irony

:think:

Kizzy 28-09-2016 01:45 PM

'Men Outnumber Women Among American Rape Victims'

Where did you find this gem?...

the truth 28-09-2016 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 8993661)

feminists cant

ArgyESC 28-09-2016 04:41 PM

"Men Outnumber Women Among American Rape Victims"

This is a joke and a terrible one.

Marsh. 28-09-2016 04:52 PM

Some of these "facts".

:laugh2:

Absolute GOLD. Keep em coming.

Crimson Dynamo 28-09-2016 05:28 PM

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/men...-rape-victims/


Is the US the only country where more men are raped than women?

In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ped-than-women

Northern Monkey 28-09-2016 05:37 PM

All that has to be done is make a similar ad but reversed.Then if that's not ok then neither is this one.Or if that doesn't get taken down then neither should this.Simple

Marsh. 28-09-2016 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8994003)
All that has to be done is make a similar ad but reversed.Then if that's not ok then neither is this one.Or if that doesn't get taken down then neither should this.Simple

It's sexist towards women too.

She's so preoccupied by shopping and clothes she's not aware of anything going on around her.

the truth 28-09-2016 05:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 8994003)
All that has to be done is make a similar ad but reversed.Then if that's not ok then neither is this one.Or if that doesn't get taken down then neither should this.Simple

exactly. ive contacted this company today and given them a piece of my mind and forwarded this to my local mp. this trash promotes and condones casual violence against men to millions

Niamh. 29-09-2016 08:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 8993977)
http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/men...-rape-victims/


Is the US the only country where more men are raped than women?

In January, prodded in part by outrage over a series of articles in the New York Review of Books, the Justice Department finally released an estimate of the prevalence of sexual abuse in penitentiaries. The reliance on filed complaints appeared to understate the problem. For 2008, for example, the government had previously tallied 935 confirmed instances of sexual abuse. After asking around, and performing some calculations, the Justice Department came up with a new number: 216,000. That's 216,000 victims, not instances. These victims are often assaulted multiple times over the course of the year. The Justice Department now seems to be saying that prison rape accounted for the majority of all rapes committed in the US in 2008, likely making the United States the first country in the history of the world to count more rapes for men than for women.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...ped-than-women

The perpetrators of those rapes are men though, you would think the way Truth is going on that it was women who were doing it :/

Smithy 29-09-2016 10:56 AM

Feminists being horrible

Dbxbfbnfbdnkah :laugh2:


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