To be fair, if there is an S2 I think it would be a fair bet that there will be some dramatic improvements. Because it's not a shown-while-still-filming series (obviously, being Netflix) they have to disadvantage of the product being set in stone before there's any feedback... and I think they'll have been taking serious note on the feedback on this one. The feedback for DD 1&2, JJ and LC was for the mostpart all good. This will have caught Marvelflix off guard and if they do run another Iron Fist series I'd imagine they will be trying very hard to redeem it. They can do that fairly easily in terms of production and writing... their main stumbling block of course is going to be Danny himself. I think the actor might just not be very good :think:. BUT It's sort of difficult to tell because some of the dialogue is so badly written. Like... my-7-year-old-could-have-written-this sort of bad. People being stabbed in the belly bleeding everywhere and someone being like "OMG u OK?" sort of bad :joker:.

I think there's always been one flaw that has been present in all the Marvelflix series (although it's affected JJ the least despite the efforts of the cop character whose name I've thankfully forgot) and that's that they nearly always lose steam halfway through due to poor narrative choices (although IF was a mess from the start).

Wilson Fisk became a drag in DD S1 because he was overexposed and the writers made a mistake in replacing the Daredevil/Punisher dynamic with generic ninjas in Season 2 instead of presenting an actual villain, They wasted Elektra in a similar fashion to Colleen as well. Iron Fist and Luke Cage both had the same issues in that they replaced an interesting villain with a contrived one (or three, in Iron Fist's case).

I don't think they've done a good job of learning from their mistakes thus far, I think the only hope of me bothering with S2 of IF is if the Defenders writers handle his character better and the IF writers follow their lead.

True, but I find that with a lot of series' to be fair. My prime example is American Horror Story, stopped watching that half way through the "freak show" one because EVERY season of it seems to start well and then end up an absolute shambles by the end.

My English teacher always taught me that with creative writing, you think up the beginning, then skip to the end and write that, before you even try to tackle the 90% in the middle. That seems to be a bit of a lost art with TV in general these days. So many shows start floundering half way through and then have no idea how to finish.

I found the inclusion of Claire in this one sort of problematic as well, though she's a good character. The issue this time was just... That it makes zero sense that she wouldn't contact Matt as soon as the trouble with The Hand started. Luke is out of action, Jessica doesn't want to be involved in these things... But DD is a full on costumed hero. Had it even been another organisation, fine, you could say it's "not his back yard" but... It's The Hand, who he is very much interested in, and very recently. It makes no sense at all that she wouldn't have give him a call straight away... But of course they're saving that for The Defenders.

And then again... I often have that same issue with the single-hero MCU titles. They always have really flimsy reasons for things like Cap and Black Widow not contacting the other avengers in Winter Soldier...

But at least they put the excuses in there! They needed that throwaway line of Claire saying "I know a guy who could help but he's away skiing this week sadly" or something...

Just remembered he's blind and most of his friends don't know he has ESP. :joker:

Hopefully they cut the series' length down, 13 episodes is too much.

Yeah, that was problematic but tbh I ****ing love Claire so I was glad she was there to elevate proceedings. I suppose the point of including her was to put her on a path where she could potentially be more than just the Defenders' nurse, I reckon she'll put those claws to good use in the crossover.

They did need more direct allusions to Luke and particularly Daredevil though, I agree that there had to be a real reason why Matt couldn't be involved in the fight against the Hand.

AGREED. 8-10 episodes would be perfect.

Yeah that's probably true of all of them so far. I'd say JJ was the best paced overall but it also had a couple of episodes around the middle that dragged and could have been condensed.

Redeeming moment of the final episode: Danny and Ward get all tearful and emo and share their feelings; Hogarth is like ":umm2: wtf is this..." :joker:.

Also had to chuckle at Claire being like "You guys just respond to everything with violence, u has psychological problems. Now I'm just going to take these vicious razor sharp boxing claws and be on my way..."

Also lack of imagination from the MCU... ... ... is the Davos twist not EXACTLY the same twist as the "Mordo" twist in Doctor Strange? :think:

I also think they expected it to be surprising that Ward turned out to be the "good" Meachum sibling an Joy the one who would turn on Danny but for me that was really obvious from the very first flashback scene of them as kids. They went in TOO hard with the Joy/Danny friendship and Ward being "mean". It was an obvious switcheroo candidate. Maybe I just watch too much TV / too many films :laugh:.

I’m on the 5th episode and its so boring.

Finished it and it wasn't that good, most of it was boring. The fighting scenes were terrible but Colleen's ones were good and she was easily the star of the show, i found Danny dull. It was too predicable too, Harold being alive,coming back to life for the second time and was the reason why the plane crashed should have been a shock but they wasn't.

Daredevil > Jessica Jonas > Luke Cage > Iron Fist

I like all 3 marvel shows but Iron Fist

Imagine I've ignored this thread up to now cos I assumed it was a Netflix show about Thacher

You should try watching Inhumans. It'll give you a new appreciation for ol' Iron Fist.