But can all this be done in such a short time? We've taken a year to get this far!

Brexit plans are plagued with problems but the fundamental issues are with the de-structure of the UK demands and EU’s understanding, specifically when it comes to timing of all these complexities. The EU’s clear and persistent position is that we first sort out the mechanics of withdrawal and then we will start preliminary discussions about the future.

There is also no evidence to suggest they weren't or that they would be particularly phased by it either. I believe that most voted for in or out - that was it. All the talk about the single market, hard brexit, soft brexit came later.

I think some people like to think they more knowledgeable/intelligent than the majority of voters and particularly like to label those that voted out as gullible, stupid etc. This of course is not true, just intimidation tactics and agendas. Remoaners, devious lot that they are, preyed on the financial insecurities of the lower earners and unemployed in attempt to get them to change their votes. Maybe it will work, maybe it won't.

Maybe many people wanted out even if it might be a difficult ride. Things can't get much worse in this country in many ways.

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We keep being told that we are "coming together" so why does it feel like we’ve never been so bitterly divided?

I'm on a rant and I'm also on my lunch break, so I'm off.

They listened to an unexpected majority vote - to leave. That is what they are doing and that is what the remainers can't stomach.

Keep it at base level Brillo. It keeps the debate circles turning. :hee:

I'd have to live on Mars to believe that now wouldn't I. Don't be so patronising.

You just keep putting too much emphasis on the 'far-right'. Not everyone, probably not most, who wants out or didn't support open borders or who lacks any respect for the far left are far right.

No.

Infact even remainers said that leaving the EU meant leaving the single market.

Due to the nature of their proposals maybe? What have the left suggested that could be described as far left?

If you believe ignorance is bliss then feel free to stick your head in the sand but don't disparage others for accepting the reality of the situation.

Also Farage would be the worst ****ing person to head up negotiations. He is an abrasive twat who washed his hands of Brexit as soon as the vote went his way so that he could find himself a permanent position in Donald Trump's arsehole. Nigel Farage is only interested in Nigel Farage and he only picks his causes based on how it'll benefit him. Getting involved in Brexit now won't benefit him which is why he went to the US as soon as he could to get in with Trump.

You need someone who is agreeable and is actually capable of diplomacy, we need a deal more than the EU needs one so we can't go into negotiations with the typical Leaver attitude of 'We don't need the EU. we don't need anyone! RULE BRITANNIA! COUNTRIES SHOULD BE LINING UP TO BEG US FOR DEALS!'

Correct there was no confirmation of what would happen to the single market until very recently, it was one of the questions that couldnt be answered until a decision was made on soft/hard Brexit

I like the more classy way that the government has handled this situation by saying they won't get into a tittle tattle war. It shows just how petty the EU and Juncker particularly is. Best thing we will ever do, leaving the EU.

I like the PM's tone today too. "I am a bloody difficult woman."

Yeah name calling is really classy :/

I didn't think it was possible but for a Prime Minister I have found Mrs May's attitude the last 2 days pathetic.

Her tone and her Party following the EU vote has been near always uncompromising.
Yet she is admired for it, really a very sad state of affairs in my view.

Love how this is propaganda yet when Corbyn has several hatchet jobs all over the media it is radio silence...

Simple fact is May and the rest of the Brexit team still to this day have no genuine clue how they are going about obtaining Brexit and what the actual results will be. A bloody difficult woman in control of these negotiations would not have made a u-turn and called a sudden election.

I would hope a bloody difficult woman is also intelligent enough to know that to do something that is in her best interests, as well as Brexit, is the best way forward even if a u-turn is required. Pride comes before a fall.

Let's face it, the remainers are praying for the talks to be a failure just so they can do a "told ya so". Well, Europeans still want to buiy and sell us stuff, and if the unelected block that, there'll be trouble. People aren't as stupid as some people would have us believe.

What a silly thing to say, that those who voted remain are rubbing their hands together in the hope that more people will be facing hardship in this country?.... get a grip.

I personally was worried about issues such as this...

People in Britain risk losing their “fundamental right to health” after Brexit, a barrister and public health professor have warned.

Tobacco and alcohol companies could win more easily in court cases such as the recent battle over plain cigarette packaging if the EU Charter of Fundamental Rights is abandoned, they wrote in the British Medical Journal (BMJ).

This means after Brexit, industry could have greater influence over laws regarding “pesticide residues in food, health and safety at work, management and disposal of hazardous substances, regulation of medicinal products, and air and water quality.”

Hopefully this will be addressed in full and resolved to protect us all when we do brexit.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/he...-a7714081.html

I was going to reply but the emboldened bits completely voided any opinion you had.

I love how clearly you interpret the situation and tone of discussions.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0xGt3QmRSZY

"Absolutely nobody is talking about threatening our place in the Single Market"
Daniel Hannan MEP

"Only a madman would actually leave the single Market"
Owen Paterson MP, Vote Leave backer

"Wouldn’t it be terrible if we were really like Norway and Switzerland? Really? They’re rich. They’re happy. They’re self-governing"
Nigel Farage, Ukip leader

I'll say again. We voted to leave the EU. The single market is part of the EU. Therefore we voted to leave the single market. That doesn't mean we can't have a new deal but people have to let go of trying to cling to bits of the EU.

If you can't come up with a solid counter argument then it's more dignified to simply admit that's the case. Reaching for reasons to invalidate opinions you dislike isn't good for discussion.

I didn't see any reaching, just a valid point.

You're right, she's an uncompromising woman who surrounds herself with a hand full of agreeable glove puppets. As for being honest and dependable," she's anything but.

She's admired because she can talk the talk. Can she walk the walk though? Good speakers will always do well in parliament but being a good speaker doesn't equate to being a good PM.

We only have to look at her seven years as Home Secretary to see she did remarkably little for the Home Office. Whilst Cameron was boasting about getting tough on immigration (She's doing the same now) May was slashing the size of our Border Force, leaving fewer means to effectively police our borders. She's just like Cameron, she's all bluff.

Are you telling me that in your official capacity as a Moderator? Because I thought that insulting other FMs was a rule break. I don't debate with people who can't discuss without name calling because I don't waste my time on time wasters.

Except you do that all the time, Livia.

What point? She didn't make one.

She did.

She dodged the discussion.

She gave a valid reason for not wanting to pursue the discussion. Experience no doubt made her feel it wasn't worth the bother. That's certainly how I often feel, no doubt others as well.

It didn't void my opinion... That remains pretty much as it was. It voided your reply as well, there isn't one :/ it's basically just you informing me you are not replying.

So thanks for that.

I've never seen Livia call other forum users names. That's what you do. :shrug:

'I know you are but what am I?' basically.

Except that there ARE non EU members in the single market already. You talk like they're one thing. They're not.

Well pointed out TS.

Not exactly so TS. There are people who have various different agreements that allow them access to the single market, freedom of movement being one of them.

It is exactly so. They aren't EU members. Yes, there are caveats when it comes to single market membership, but it has nothing to do with full membership, and is not what was voted on in the referendum. To say that it's a flat "no" you have to make the assumption that everyone who voted for Brexit did so because they wanted an end to free movement. I'm sure many did, but not all. And the figures and percentages simply aren't available. We can "Brexit" and keep free movement without it being in violation of the referendum result in any way.

I voted out but now I feel like the fat lady who fell for the spiel on how a herbal drink would make me thin! I’m far from alone; the Economist has shown research which revealed a massive turn in Brexit retreats from people who are outraged by the false promises made in the Brexit campaign.

I always laughed at the ridiculous promises about cutting immigration. That asylum seekers would be returned to their country and border control would be letting less migrants in and so I wasn’t surprised when that showed up pretty quickly after the vote as the unicorn it always was.

I did though, believe their implicit promises about the NHS. I believed Boris Johnson when he very clearly told us that we would retain access to the single market and our public services could only survive under Brexit and I believed the secretary of State for international trade when he told us all that we would trade freely with the EU.

We are now being told that all these figures were merely extrapolation and all these campaign promises were nothing more than a series of possibilities.

I have buyers remorse and if you care to read articles in ‘The Economist,’ I’m certainly not alone. There has been a massive move over to remain since this unicorn was revealed to be nothing more than a pit pony.

I believe the percentage of remain voters now far outweigh the Brexiteers. I also believe that many of those who regret, won't have the balls to say so, but that's good because it gives the Conservatives a false illusion. When it comes to the election, there's is bound to be a lot of tactical voting because the regretters won't be voting for the blues.