Sorry.. Get what for nothing social care or a pension?

What is the difference between feckless and work shy, how could you apply for your universal credit stating this as your pastime?

And finally should you be feckless or work shy should you simply do the rest of the hard working UK a favour and off yourself?

Everyone should get social care free. Otherwise English people are being discriminated against because they're not Scottish. And maybe if Adult Social Services bought themselves some minibuses and a couple of decent drivers their taxi bill wouldn't be RIDICULOUS!

You're the one who's suggested people "offing themselves". I didn't even intimate that. You hate people putting words in your mouth.... yet here you are doing it to me.

I didn't say you had, I asked you a question is all.

Maybe will the 10 billion squandered on useless IT systems could have bought a few buses... hey! they could have that one they wrote that lie on :)

The NHS is one of the most efficient healthcare services in the world, though, and FAR more effecient than - for example - the insurance-based US system. This has been written about so many times that I have to assume anyone who still thinks that the NHS is (comparatively) inefficient is simply parroting what they've heard, rather than speaking from any knowledge of the actual running costs.

I also find it somewhat hilarious that most people would recoil in horror at the idea of their taxes being raised by, say, £30 a month to directly fund the NHS... clearly having absolutely no idea how much private health insurance would be costing them if the NHS was gone (hint: it's a LOT more than £30 a month).

Great point TS has anyone wondered how they would fund a private healthcare policy...specifically if you had complex needs or a preexisting or congenital condition?
Not to mention extras like critical illness or cover if you were involved in an accident and unable to work for any length of time due to hospital stays and or rehabilitation.

So basically the fact that we all pay in IS our insurance for all that and more, I don't begrudge paying one little bit and can't comprehend why anyone would.

Really strong points.
Something that should be very heavily thought about.

Maybe we could save some of the cash we spend on benefits... you know, the unemployed who can afford to have Sky and take foreign holidays. We could stop sending foreign aid to countries who have a space programme... there's lots we can do. But we're talking about the way local authorities spend their money and not national party issues.

Ohai Daily Mail.

Tax loopholes and breaks cost us more than the benefits system ever will, it's just easier to blame the vulnerable parts of society, I guess.

Labour may exaggerate, but the Tories have slowly bit by bit tried to make the NHS look as incompetent as it possibly can be so that the public turns around and says they want rid of it, and after Brexit where we've now left our country's fate up in the air, it really wouldn't surprise me then to see most people not care about their own healthcare.

And its the Blairites within the Labour party that have played the biggest hand in demonizing Corbyn and bringing about huge disruption within the party. The Blairites are just as neoliberal as May and so its crucial we never swap Corbyn for one of them.

You are complaining about the past with no real knowledge on present times.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/heal...-patients.html
https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/a...the-nhs-crisis
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/arti...ers-worse.html.

The NHS never got better after Blair. “Relentless cuts” to the health service could be behind 30,000 deaths in 2015, argued researchers in two articles published in the Journal of the Royal Society of Medicine.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/wo...-a7585001.html

I'm sorry you appear to have spun off on some ranty tangent here... :/

We are talking specifically how our national party has mismanaged 10 billion pounds of public funds on a useless IT system that is not fit for purpose... I have no idea what you're talking about.

I would just find it astounding that any of you would want rid of it. No one can surely want medical bills like the US have to pay not even people who are loaded

You would have to be totally insane to want rid of it! Literally mad.

I actually despair for the NHS after brexit and under this extreme, and.in fact severely extreme govt. with greater power.

Really sadly for the UK, again a minority who actually vote will,because they did not get behind the one other source in politics,who could beat these hardline hard-hearted present front people of this Conservative Party.
That minority will inflict on all across the UK even more failed and heartless policies.

I agree with you, the NHS will be made to appear more incompetent and unsustainable that this awful govt. will then create the atmosphere of greater or total privatisation it's being the the only answer.
That will be a very sad and bad day indeed but I expect that coming about now,more than I have since becoming interested in politics.

No one will get rid of the NHS ,it is here to stay,but they DO need to manage their money better,they will obviously be more stretched now as there are more people to deal with,that's not rocket science surely,we need to start somewhere to curb unnecessary expenses in all departments,not just the NHS, and by everyone.

A lot of people would cut off their nose to spite their face, it's the same reason why the Tories are so popular with voting demographics that they shouldn't have any traction with.

Mention Brexit, Immigrants or Benefits and people will vote for you regardless of the facts.

It's only here to stay if the people can make sure it is.
After 18 years in govt. the fact was in 1997,the NHS was on its knees.

Labour could have done more and chose a few wrong avenues to go down but by 2010 it was in a much better state.

Here only 7 years into Con led govt again,it is near crippled again.
That's no coincidence,as Mock implied it is almost probably engineered by this govt.

The Cons fought against having an NHS all through its creation after the war,voting against just about every bit of legislation as to it.

Better Conservative leaders with more moderated Con govts worked with it,helping build it up,not bring it down,until Mrs Thatcher who was obsessed with privatisation.

I wouldn't trust Mrs May's word on a single thing and for sure never with the NHS.
The fact she has left the only confrontational Hunt as Health secretary speaks volumes,to me at least.

With a much weakened Labour party and a greatly increased majority,this power mad woman and her hardline party,I really think will see this as their only chance to dismantle the NHS.
With a set up private health system and a very basic 3rd rate at best health set up for the poorest with no private care plans.
Involving basic care and much longer waiting times.

Never would I trust this woman's word on the NHS,then again I wouldn't trust her word as to anything anyway.
Vote her back if you must,be misled by her to believe the NHS is safe with her awful hardline govt.but once the NHS is gone it will be gone.
Too late to moan at then or change what she will have done to it after 5 more years with much greater power given her in this election.

The EU are even more obsessed with privatisation.

Then why have the UK sold off and privatized more industry than any other country in Europe?

Most of its now owned by foreign investors.