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Lee. 03-06-2017 11:23 PM

Enoch Powell was a big paedo. And still our present day politicians (Ms May) are covering up the huge child abuse ring within Westminster.

Tozzie 04-06-2017 07:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 9316149)
This is what Enoch Powel said long before some of us were born,1968 ,do you agree with what he said all those years ago,Was he right or was he wrong?

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I agree with what he said for the mostpart and there will be a bloodbath in this country one day, I and many other people feel the tension, it;s only a matter of time. Of course, most intelligent people know the terrorists are not really followers of the true muslim faith people are beginning to wonder who of all muslims that walk among us are good muslim people or who are terrorists. How can we differentiate who are radicalized muslims and who are peace loving muslims as radicalization is being carried out on our own doorsteps by our own neighbours yet we don't know which neighbours. In an ideal world everyone would get along but I feel as long as people are driven by religion there will never be a solution. Had people listened to Powell perhaps we wouldn't be all living in fear of our lives on a daily basis now. Of course he was deemed as racist, perhaps he was but that doesn't take away the fact that he in my eyes knew what he was talking about. The bloodshed on such a large scale in England these days is only the beginning. I feel for the young families growing up in these scary times.

Brillopad 04-06-2017 07:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9329238)
I agree with what he said for the mostpart and there will be a bloodbath in this country one day, I and many other people feel the tension, it;s only a matter of time. Of course, most intelligent people know the terrorists are not really followers of the true muslim faith people are beginning to wonder who of all muslims that walk among us are good muslim people or who are terrorists. How can we differentiate who are radicalized muslims and who are peace loving muslims as radicalization is being carried out on our own doorsteps by our own neighbours yet we don't know which neighbours. In an ideal world everyone would get along but I feel as long as people are driven by religion there will never be a solution. Had people listened to Powell perhaps we wouldn't be all living in fear of our lives on a daily basis now. Of course he was deemed as racist, perhaps he was but that doesn't take away the fact that he in my eyes knew what he was talking about. The bloodshed on such a large scale in England these days is only the beginning. I feel for the young families growing up in these scary times.

Agreed. Good post Tozzie!

Kizzy 04-06-2017 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Lee. (Post 9328238)
Enoch Powell was a big paedo. And still our present day politicians (Ms May) are covering up the huge child abuse ring within Westminster.

Well said Lee and wonderful to see you around :)

Kizzy 04-06-2017 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Tozzie (Post 9329238)
I agree with what he said for the mostpart and there will be a bloodbath in this country one day, I and many other people feel the tension, it;s only a matter of time. Of course, most intelligent people know the terrorists are not really followers of the true muslim faith people are beginning to wonder who of all muslims that walk among us are good muslim people or who are terrorists. How can we differentiate who are radicalized muslims and who are peace loving muslims as radicalization is being carried out on our own doorsteps by our own neighbours yet we don't know which neighbours. In an ideal world everyone would get along but I feel as long as people are driven by religion there will never be a solution. Had people listened to Powell perhaps we wouldn't be all living in fear of our lives on a daily basis now. Of course he was deemed as racist, perhaps he was but that doesn't take away the fact that he in my eyes knew what he was talking about. The bloodshed on such a large scale in England these days is only the beginning. I feel for the young families growing up in these scary times.

So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

Tom4784 04-06-2017 12:16 PM

Enoch Powell was a repugnant racist **** and nothing he said was right, it's not the fault of immigration that 'wives can't find hospital beds in childbirth' or school places are difficult to find. These are all a result of a Tory government that wants to decimate public services in favour of a privatised system.

It's not the fault of people of different races, it's the fault of a government who are using immigration as an excuse to destroy public services and a public who are gullible enough to accept it because they think it justifies their racism.

Scarlett. 04-06-2017 12:18 PM

Enoch Powell can go **** himself and his ****ty opinions. He wasn't right back then, he isn't right now.

Northern Monkey 04-06-2017 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9329457)
Enoch Powell was a repugnant racist **** and nothing he said was right, it's not the fault of immigration that 'wives can't find hospital beds in childbirth' or school places are difficult to find. These are all a result of a Tory government that wants to decimate public services in favour of a privatised system.

It's not the fault of people of different races, it's the fault of a government who are using immigration as an excuse to destroy public services and a public who are gullible enough to accept it because they think it justifies their racism.

You know if Labour win and we see that the NHS is still overstretched with not enough beds and A&E bursting at the seems you're gonna have to find another scapegoat to blame.

user104658 04-06-2017 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9329554)
You know if Labour win and we see that the NHS is still overstretched with not enough beds and A&E bursting at the seems you're gonna have to find another scapegoat to blame.

I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

Northern Monkey 04-06-2017 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9329564)
I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

I do actually think the Tories have a big part to play in the NHS but underfunding is not the ONLY problem.It possibly half the problem.We have the Tories who are saying they will tackle immigration(probably won't) and they'll still carry on underfunding the NHS and running it into the ground.
Then we have Labour who would(hopefully) put more into the NHS and pay the nurses what they deserve but are weak on the immigration part.
Now i am going to vote Labour as i think they're the lesser of two evils but if they don't tackle the immigration part and it infact gets worse they're going to be flushing that extra funding down the toilet.
The NHS imo was never designed to be able to handle an ever increasing population.

smudgie 04-06-2017 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9329573)
I do actually think the Tories have a big part to play in the NHS but underfunding is not the ONLY problem.It possibly half the problem.We have the Tories who are saying they will tackle immigration(probably won't) and they'll still carry on underfunding the NHS and running it into the ground.
Then we have Labour who would(hopefully) put more into the NHS and pay the nurses what they deserve but are weak on the immigration part.
Now i am going to vote Labour as i think they're the lesser of two evils but if they don't tackle the immigration part and it infact gets worse they're going to be flushing that extra funding down the toilet.
The NHS imo was never designed to be able to handle an ever increasing population.

I honestly think we have to consider how much longer we all live.
Being elderly in itself brings its own problems, bones break easier, more arthritis, more respiratory illnesses, hearts and other organs getting worn out.
So, as much as I can't stand Tim Farron, I think he is on to something when he suggests 1% tax rise across the board, as long as it is specifically goes to health and social care.

Northern Monkey 04-06-2017 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 9329582)
I honestly think we have to consider how much longer we all live.
Being elderly in itself brings its own problems, bones break easier, more arthritis, more respiratory illnesses, hearts and other organs getting worn out.
So, as much as I can't stand Tim Farron, I think he is on to something when he suggests 1% tax rise across the board, as long as it is specifically goes to health and social care.

I would happily pay a little more tax for the NHS aslong as i know that it's not getting wasted and the immigration issue is being dealt with too and not being left to grow.Otherwise that tax is going to be going nowhere.

smudgie 04-06-2017 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9329595)
I would happily pay a little more tax for the NHS aslong as i know that it's not getting wasted and the immigration issue is being dealt with too and not being left to grow.Otherwise that tax is going to be going nowhere.

Can't say fairer than that N.Monkey.

joeysteele 04-06-2017 04:55 PM

Poxwell was a controversial politician,it seems another marmite one,either really liked or loathed.

Reading about him,I guess I would have felt his terminology at times stemmed from racial prejudice, he would not have been someone I rated myself.

He was apparently for sure a thorn in PM Edward Heath's side over Europe.
He sort of inclined to guide voters to vote Labour in 1974.

He also ended up an MP for a Down constituency in Northern Ireland for a time too.
He sure got about.

Tom4784 04-06-2017 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 9329564)
I think you've got that arse backwards there... If labour win and don't address the actual problems then of course nothing will change. That doesn't reflect at all on whether "all of those immigrants" have anything to do with it being overstretched.

... It's when the Tories stay in power, and if they do successfully drastically reduce immigration, AND YET none of our problems magically disappear and the NHS is still bursting at the seams... That's when those who blame migration as a catch-all for every problem will have to find another scapegoat. Seriously... What are the Powells of the world going to do if they drastically decrease immigration but problems persist? Who are they going to blame? I don't even have to ask I suppose; it will be "breeders on benefits" all of a sudden.

Pretty much, The tories aren't scapegoats so accusing me of using them as such is just very silly.

The NHS should be protected at all costs and it's problems stem from underfunding and the fact that the Tories' sabotage are turning medical staff away from it and towards private organisations instead. If the tories actually gave it the funding it needs then a lot of it's issues would be sorted but they aren't interested in that since the Tories benefit more from a private system.

Tozzie 04-06-2017 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9329286)
So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

you tell me, if I knew the answer to that I wouldn't be sat typing on TBB. By the way it isn't only a handful of radicals anymore people are being radicalised by the day

Brillopad 04-06-2017 06:52 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 9329286)
So what's the answer, we bend to the will of the racists as we cower in fear of a handful of radicals?

That doesn't sound very British to me.

A handful!!! Either you are pretty crap at math or you see what you want to see.


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