This is again where you read what you want to see rather than what I say. I have never said anything about all Muslims being bad. What I have said is there are problems in their religion and beliefs. Beliefs are taught, no person is born with them.

Thats makes no sense unless you believe that the authorities are part of the 2% of non-muslim people bringing the jury to justice. Honestly read the article!

One jury member was related to the rapist.
Authorities are arresting all of them.
This is nothing to do with religion.

There are good people and bad people in this one story who obviously have different beliefs. You brushed them all together because you didn't read the article and you wanted to spew hatred.

Yes I know that.

What's 2-5% of 188.9million? :think:

No need for insults by the way.

Yes we should watch so we bring the full horror of these punishments to life.

Also if you are willing to argue and debate with (as well as insulting) other people its best to have the full facts no matter how horrific.

So she is innocent and they are guilty....without a proper trial!!

Ever fancied moving to the rural areas of pakistan?

Saw this on Facebook. Sad that these things still happen on the 21st century :sad:

Don't know but anything official like a council is pretty unlikely to be anything but Islam based. You can't be a judge or run for President if you aren't a Muslim.

If you are just going to presume what I'm wanting don't bother to respond. It's quite easy really. You interpret what I say for your own ends. I'll say again I'm not talking about people I'm talking about beliefs.

Getting arrested doesn't make you guilty? You took a leap and threw words in my mouth there

a village panchayat isn't official like a judge or president though, it's a council that runs individual villages, presumably if the village is Hindi then their council would be too? I'm not saying it was but since the article didn't mention religion at all I don't see how either could be ruled out

No. My responses to you have been along thhe lines of why are you briging up Muslims, its not relevant. It still isnt. Thats not me presuming what youve said. Thats me calling you out for saying it.
Lets be serious, you read the op and its title, and you ran with it. You didnt read the article, nor did the OP.

I find it hard to believe in a state run by a specific religion that a council for any other faith would have the power to sentence someone to death. Bearing in mind it states in the Constitution that non Muslims can't hold roles like judges.

When you say the VICTIM, THE BAD GUYS and THE GOOD GUYS...seems to me you already made your mind up about guilt and innocents..before a proper trial....what am i supposed to think ffs.

http://m.hindustantimes.com/world-ne...9GBterXbP.html


You get a bit more info here.

Oh well ok if you want to believe some obscure fairy council, from a different religion gave out a death sentence in a islamic run state, you go right ahead.

I mean, the 'victim' was literally raped
The 'bad guys' did literally try to sentence her to death
And the 'good guys' are literally trying to sort the sitch out

I didn't think my nicknames would confuse anyone, but I'll avoid using them in future soz.

How do you know she was raped when there hasnt been a proper trial?

I've said countless times that their religion doesn't matter, keep up. There are goods and bads in this story, and their faith could be the same or different. Only one of us is grouping everybody involved together. You should work on that. (Have you read the article yet?) you literally criticised muslims on a topic where people (that are presumably muslim) have set warrants on the arrest of others that have perverted the justice system.

I didn't criticise Muslims I criticised their faith. Keep up.

Have you read the article yet jesus christ, why am i explaining the article to everybody that wants to discuss it.

The jury knew she was raped, accepted this, and sentenced her because she led him on. (Paraphrasing)

Damn that muslim faith, always trying to get justice for rape victims :fist:

Have you read it? Cause it says she wilfully slept with him, not led him on..but like you keep gaping on about its nkt a proper court...so a proper trial hasnt happened yet but you have already made your mind up on who is guilty and innocent....you sound like an old 1970's racist.

Actually I love willfully sleeping with people at gunpoint, and I completely recommend it for everybody. Not doing so would make me racist, obviously.

And of course you are selecting points and completely missing the fact that she was sentenced to death in the first place.

I used a little rhetoric in what I said and once again your offended.

there are atleast 40 anyway

https://www.dawn.com/news/746607

To add, :

"Honour" killings and death sentences are usually sanctioned through the panchayat system in Pakistani villages, but they have no legal standing.

http://www.indiatimes.com/news/world...at-322671.html



Again I'm not saying that they're weren't Muslim but I am saying it doesn't state anything at all about religion. Seems like in this case it's about a father "protecting" his son over anything else

Yes.. and many, if not all of those people presumably had the same faith as many, if not all of those that are literally arresting that said jury.
Ie, discussion of faith is illogical and does not stem from the story, and instead stems from presumably personal issues, or too much trust in the OPs original take, which did not stem from the story.

This article doesn't mention islam at all, It's a tribal court system that's to blame here, I think people are basically thinking 'Pakistan + Arabic people = EVIL BACKWARDS MUSLIMS'.

These Panchayats are also a big thing in India where almost 80% of the population are Hindu.

Yup, it's a backwards system but religion's not to blame here.

I think you have to look at how religion is involved in state and how a set of beliefs influence the proceedings. For example the idea that someone can be put to death or stoned for things like adultery. I'm not saying anything wildly far fetched here.

It's a cultural thing though and not specific to Islam is the only point I was trying to make here. They have the same type of kangaroo courts in India where 80% of the population are Hindu. I believe alot of it is to do with poverty and lack of education. There's a link to similar awful "rulings" that happened in India


http://www.womensweb.in/2015/09/5-de...ack-dark-ages/

I disagree that it is cultural if you are discounting the influence of the religion of a religious state on it. I'm not really talking about India, we're talking specifically about a country that calls itself an Islamic state.

Ireland for example has been a catholic country and a non catholic would have struggled to achieve very much that wasn't in keeping with the faith, like having an abortion for instance. Or even speaking out against the faith, wasn't there some controversy over Stephen Fry recently?

Culture is made up of many things, religion, morals, traditions. Clearly India and Pakistan have very similar cultures eventhough the main religions in the two countries are different.

Over 80% of Portuguese people are catholic and abortion is legal there so generalising laws on what religion the majority of a country is, is not always accurate

Doesn't that depend on the teachings of the religion and whether the country allows religion into the laws of the state? Saying that 80% of Portuguese people are catholic isn't quite the same as saying Portugal is a catholic state/country.

India and Pakistan have entirely different cultures. If I had to be a woman in either, I would choose India, even thought their own record on women's rights is questionable. Anyhoo, killing a woman in Pakistan is nothing. If we made a thread every time one was murdered for being raped, or for "shaming" her family, or for some other excuse people seem to be coming up with, then we'd have no room for other threads. The simple fact is that Islam rules Pakistan, and parts of Islam are sick.

hang on a second now, we're veering off track a little bit here. These court systems aren't even legally binding, the actual legal justice system in Pakistan was the one who stopped this honor killing from happening and is protecting the girl remember?

The culture of Panchayats is there out of tradition of "elders" in villages having power over people and especially in this specific case a father abusing that power to protect his son

So why have the authorities arrested the man involved and given the girl protection?

Possibly because she had the support of her father.

They're very similar