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Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9658268)
Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.
Yes, many many more males lie about raping, than people lie about being raped. Males are raped too so they can be included in the 'accusers' stats. I doubt many males lie about being raped either, probably about the same amount as females who lie. All in all, many more males lie about rape than anyone else.

thesheriff443 15-10-2017 03:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9658268)
Obviously. But the figures when it comes to specifically lying about rape speak for themselves.
We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime

Marsh. 15-10-2017 03:32 PM
Is that 6% of rape cases that make it to court result in a prosecution or 6% of reports lead to a conviction?

the truth 15-10-2017 03:32 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658260)
Thats a no then. A no to looking at proven evidence. Great and unsurprising.

Again, not enough evidence does not mean that the allegation was false. And if something was proven to be lies/delusion the accuser would be prosecuted.

I just refuse to believe the ridiculous rape myths that claim that women who just regret having sex will 'cry rape', given they would be subjecting themselves to internal exams, very personal questions and likely their entire sexual history being dragged up in court as some kind of defense, because of course if a woman has had sex in the past that means that she is always available for sex. Someone who regretted having sex would just want to forget all about it, not drag it out for months and months and let the world know about it.

Again, you say 94% are chucked out with no evidence which means the person made it up and it was proven. If this is the case, why are more people not done for wasting police time? 109 women in 5 years were done for this as their claims were proven false. Do you really think that the court, the police and such just 'let them off' in false claims? They seem to take them very seriously given ALL women who were done for this were prosecuted. Infact, being proven to have a false claim seems to be taken even more seriously than actually raping someone.

Any woman who lies about this is an utter twat and deserves a long sentence. But I also think the same of men who do rape, of which there are thousands more of them.
Its a yes I have provided you proof and evidence and links but you like to ignore proof evidence you prefer to listen to listen and believe and spread unsubstantiated vile gossip

Marsh. 15-10-2017 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9658273)
We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime
Meaning?

Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9658271)
This tbh. I'd imaging the only people who lie about something like this are the people who have specific vendettas against the people they accuse.

Rather than just regretting a one night stand.
Most false claims are actually made by someone other than the person who was 'raped'. For example parents reporting rape if their teen has been caught having sex.

The rest seem to be mainly mentally ill people. Along with a few who do it for monetary gain (as apparently being victim of a crime you can get compo)

Though even with this, the numbers who lie are very small. They should not exist at all, but there are false claims in all areas of law. When someone claims they were burgled, and it turns out it was false, there is not cries of 'this will stop genuine victims coming forward'. Same if someone lies that they were attacked in the street. Why is it so different with rape?

Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:35 PM
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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9658273)
We don't know the true figures, I said in another thread a friend was falsely accused of rape, you can get paid thousands if your are a victim of crime
We do, as the police have given them :laugh:
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9658275)
Is that 6% of rape cases that make it to court result in a prosecution or 6% of reports lead to a conviction?
I think its 6% of reports that lead to a conviction.Not sure how many make it to court.

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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658276)
Its a yes I have provided you proof and evidence and links but you like to ignore proof evidence you prefer to listen to listen and believe and spread unsubstantiated vile gossip
You have not provided me with proof at all? You gave me a wikipedia link, which can be edited by anyone but I already said I am willing to believe it?

How the hell am I spreading unsubstantiated vile gossip...my links have been from the bloody police themselves, or reports containing the police evidence :laugh: Are you saying you believe the police are also in on this 'epidemic' and are hiding the true figures as they are vile feminists?

Again WHY no anger at the thousands upon thousands of males who have been convicted of rape? Why focus on the small number of females (and males) who lie about rape?

the truth 15-10-2017 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658280)
We do, as the police have given them :laugh:


I think its 6% of reports that lead to a conviction.Not sure how many make it to court.


You have not provided me with proof at all? You gave me a wikipedia link, which can be edited by anyone but I already said I am willing to believe it?

How the hell am I spreading unsubstantiated vile gossip...my links have been from the bloody police themselves, or reports containing the police evidence :laugh: Are you saying you believe the police are also in on this 'epidemic' and are hiding the true figures as they are vile feminists?

Again WHY no anger at the thousands upon thousands of males who have been convicted of rape? Why focus on the small number of females (and males) who lie about rape?
I have provided anger at the vile male rapists and I have provided evidence on both sides. you choose to ignore the 188000 cases thrown out and the thousands of false allegations because of your bias and lack of empathy compassion for these 100s of thousands of falsely accused male victims across the western world
The bias against men is in your head sadly and you choose to ignore the evidence of 100s of thousands of false or massively exaggerated allegations made by dishonest or vindictive or in some cases mentally disturbed women
Unlike you I have empathy for all victims, regardless of gender or gender bias, empathy for victims of rape and victims of false allegations of rape.

Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658286)
I have provided anger at the vile male rapists and I have provided evidence on both sides. you choose to ignore the 188000 cases thrown out and the thousands of false allegations because of your bias
Which does not mean it was a false claim.

There are not thousands of false allegations. This is all in your head.

thesheriff443 15-10-2017 03:41 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658280)
We do, as the police have given them :laugh:


I think its 6% of reports that lead to a conviction.Not sure how many make it to court.


You have not provided me with proof at all? You gave me a wikipedia link, which can be edited by anyone but I already said I am willing to believe it?

How the hell am I spreading unsubstantiated vile gossip...my links have been from the bloody police themselves, or reports containing the police evidence :laugh: Are you saying you believe the police are also in on this 'epidemic' and are hiding the true figures as they are vile feminists?

Again WHY no anger at the thousands upon thousands of males who have been convicted of rape? Why focus on the small number of females (and males) who lie about rape?
What the police say don't mean a lot to me, like cases that get dropped as people change their minds

Tom4784 15-10-2017 03:46 PM
Rape is difficult to prove and being unable to take a case to court or not having enough evidence to prove someone's guilt isn't proof of the victim lying. It's a vile attitude to have and presenting failed cases as an argument that victims lying about rape is some sort of epidemic is disgusting.

Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658286)
I have provided anger at the vile male rapists and I have provided evidence on both sides. you choose to ignore the 188000 cases thrown out and the thousands of false allegations because of your bias and lack of empathy compassion for these 100s of thousands of falsely accused male victims across the western world
The bias against men is in your head sadly and you choose to ignore the evidence of 100s of thousands of false or massively exaggerated allegations made by dishonest or vindictive or in some cases mentally disturbed women
Unlike you I have empathy for all victims, regardless of gender or gender bias, empathy for victims of rape and victims of false allegations of rape.
Didn't see edit til now

There are not 100s of thousands of false or exaggerated allegations though. If there were I would be just as angry at them as those who rape. As it happens, those who lie are a small minority, and it IS thousands upon thousands of males who rape, so whilst I am angry at false accusers, I am also angry at the males who rape in large numbers. Something you don't seem to be as your entire focus is on false accusations.

Marsh. 15-10-2017 03:47 PM
It astounds me how people can think this way.

So jaded.

Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:50 PM
SIX males a year are arrested for false rape claims. 2 of those make it to court.

How is this an epidemic, when 3000+ cases are proven true and the rapist sentenced?

People may be falsely accused, but they don't even find out about it as the case is thrown out. Some cases are dropped too, again, before the male ever finds out about the report. Dropping a case does not mean the accuser was not raped, cases can be dropped for a variety of reasons. But again, lives are not ruined as no arrests have been made, except the 6.

Yes, these 6 men a year arrested is bad...but again, its 6, versus thousands who are actually proven to be raped. Only 2 falsely accused people ever see a courtroom.

the truth 15-10-2017 03:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658302)
Didn't see edit til now

There are not 100s of thousands of false or exaggerated allegations though. If there were I would be just as angry at them as those who rape. As it happens, those who lie are a small minority, and it IS thousands upon thousands of males who rape, so whilst I am angry at false accusers, I am also angry at the males who rape in large numbers. Something you don't seem to be as your entire focus is on false accusations.
There are 188000 accusations thrown out of court every year in the UK , staggering figure. a figure that points to 2 things, the sheer volume of sexual harassment and rapes which si vile and disgusting but also the sheer number of false accusations. the sheer number as a proportion of fake claims against rich celebrities is incredibly high too

Vicky. 15-10-2017 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658313)
There are 188000 accusations thrown out of court every year in the UK , staggering figure. a figure that points to 2 things, the sheer volume of sexual harassment and rapes which si vile and disgusting but also the sheer number of false accusations. the sheer number as a proportion of fake claims against rich celebrities is incredibly high too
Proof of this also?

Cases thrown out, again is not proof that the person (male or female) lied. It is also not proof that the person was raped. Though I would think that the majority of these were actually raped, as I don't see why someone would go through it all if they were not. But thats just personal opinion. Obviously you are of the opinion that cases thrown out means the person lied...

Which is why going on prosecutions (where proof is required) is the best way to look at this. Which again brings us to 22 false claims prosecuted, V 3000+ rapists prosecuted.

I don't think its 188000 cases thrown out of court either. I think that number includes those who drop the case, or for whatever reason the case is dropped before court.

Tom4784 15-10-2017 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658313)
There are 188000 accusations thrown out of court every year in the UK , staggering figure. a figure that points to 2 things, the sheer volume of sexual harassment and rapes which si vile and disgusting but also the sheer number of false accusations. the sheer number as a proportion of fake claims against rich celebrities is incredibly high too
It shows that there's a lack of evidence to convict, it isn't proof that the victims are lying about rape. That's your own assumption.

Like I said before, rape is difficult to prove and a lack of evidence does not mean that the victim is lying.

the truth 15-10-2017 04:01 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658319)
Proof of this also?

Cases thrown out, again is not proof that the person (male or female) lied. It is also not proof that the person was raped. Though I would think that the majority of these were actually raped, as I don't see why someone would go through it all if they were not. But thats just personal opinion. Obviously you are of the opinion that cases thrown out means the person lied...

Which is why going on prosecutions (where proof is required) is the best way to look at this. Which again brings us to 22 false claims prosecuted, V 3000+ rapists prosecuted.

I don't think its 188000 cases thrown out of court either. I think that number includes those who drop the case, or for whatever reason the case is dropped before court.
Dropped after the men are named and shamed their lives careers families health destroyed and millions of public money is wasted on a pack of unsubtantiated mix of lies

Vicky. 15-10-2017 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658330)
Dropped after the men are named and shamed their lives careers families health destroyed and millions of public money is wasted on a pack of unsubtantiated mix of lies
The men are not named and shamed though. As only 6 men who are falsely accused are actually arrested and questioned.

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658330)
Dropped after the men are named and shamed their lives careers families health destroyed and millions of public money is wasted on a pack of unsubtantiated mix of lies
It must be very exhausting twisting everything to suit your agenda and getting irate over something that's simply not true.

You'll give yourself a heart attack with the stress.

the truth 15-10-2017 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658332)
The men are not named and shamed though. As only 6 men who are falsely accused are actually arrested and questioned.
Many are , such a petty point ignoring their lives being destroyed by lives
the level of male hate misandry on this site is horrifying. Its so predictable to see me being bullied here enmasse by so many biased misandrists

the truth 15-10-2017 04:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 9658323)
It shows that there's a lack of evidence to convict, it isn't proof that the victims are lying about rape. That's your own assumption.

Like I said before, rape is difficult to prove and a lack of evidence does not mean that the victim is lying.
188000 are thrown out per year thats 188000 men whose lives are destroyed by women making accusations that are either totally false or lack any evidence. they do so anonymously so have nothing left to lose unlike the men falsely accused, but in many cases they have a lot of money to gain

Vicky. 15-10-2017 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658357)
Many are , such a petty point ignoring their lives being destroyed by lives
the level of male hate misandry on this site is horrifying. Its so predictable to see me being bullied here enmasse by so many biased misandrists
I am ignoring nothing. Nor do I hate men I have a husband, a father and a son...why would I hate men?

6 a year have their 'lives ruined' by false claims. And thats assuming that the people close to them believed that they did rape someone. 2 of these falsely accused saw a court room.

3000+ victims of rape had their lives ruined by males.

When we are going on facts, rather than opinions, of course.

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:20 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658359)
188000 are thrown out per year thats 188000 men whose lives are destroyed by women making accusations that are either totally false or lack any evidence. they do so anonymously so have nothing left to lose unlike the men falsely accused, but in many cases they have a lot of money to gain
How dare they make accusations that lack evidence. Those rapists deserve to be free unless the victim has thoroughly done their research and is sure they have enough for a conviction.

Vicky. 15-10-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 9658367)
How dare they make accusations that lack evidence. Those rapists deserve to be free unless the victim has thoroughly done their research and is sure they have enough for a conviction.
Well yeah, next time the victims have to make sure they are raped in full view of cctv or something. Totally the victims fault that there wasn't enough physical evidence and the 'he said she said' was not enough to secure a conviction. If there is not cctv, pretty much all a rapist has to do is say 'there was consent' and the case would be thrown out.

But again, going on cases thrown out is silly, as we do not know for sure why they were thrown out. So going on actual convictions makes sense, as convictions require evidence beyond reasonable doubt.

Its just such a ridiculous argument tbh. I don't know why I am taking part in it but this has kind of riled me, that anyone can think this way.

Redway 15-10-2017 04:23 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9657072)
https://www.theguardian.com/society/...ms-jemma-beale

A story youd never get to see on the radical feminist BBC
Who uses something like rape to push their own sexist agenda? That’s a new low even for you.

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:25 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658357)
Many are , such a petty point ignoring their lives being destroyed by lives
the level of male hate misandry on this site is horrifying. Its so predictable to see me being bullied here enmasse by so many biased misandrists
Bullied? You're refusing to listen to reason and are making up facts out of thin air.

Do you expect people to just nod and agree because you have an unhealthy bias against women?

Vicky. 15-10-2017 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by Cal. (Post 9657074)
Not more than an actual rapist would get on average

Anyway glad she got brought to justice lying cow
Missed this too.

Yes, its ridiculous that someone gets a longer sentence for falsely accusing than men would get for actually raping someone. Hell some people who admit raping people get off with a CAUTION! 6 a year, evidently.

Same amount of people who get arrested for false rape claims per year.

the truth 15-10-2017 04:27 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658364)
I am ignoring nothing. Nor do I hate men I have a husband, a father and a son...why would I hate men?

6 a year have their 'lives ruined' by false claims. And thats assuming that the people close to them believed that they did rape someone. 2 of these falsely accused saw a court room.

3000+ victims of rape had their lives ruined by males.

When we are going on facts, rather than opinions, of course.
lets hope they never ever get falsely accused because only then will you truly know the horror of these lies and gossip spread by dishonest women

the truth 15-10-2017 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Redway (Post 9658374)
Who uses something like rape to push their own sexist agenda? That’s a new low even for you.
youre lying again

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658385)
lets hope they never ever get falsely accused because only then will you truly know the horror of these lies and gossip spread by dishonest women
Why is everything always extremes for you?

It's not healthy and it's certainly not rational.

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658386)
youre lying again
And you're not a well person and your threads get more ridiculous by the week.

Vicky. 15-10-2017 04:30 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658385)
lets hope they never ever get falsely accused because only then will you truly know the horror of these lies and gossip spread by dishonest women
Yes lets hope. Luckily the stats are against this happening, I doubt they would be in the 6/31,000,000 per year who are falsely accused. More chance of winning the lottery. Also much more chance of them being raped by another male (9000 men are raped per year by other men) than being falsely accused of rape. I will worry more about that tbh.

the truth 15-10-2017 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658364)
I am ignoring nothing. Nor do I hate men I have a husband, a father and a son...why would I hate men?

6 a year have their 'lives ruined' by false claims. And thats assuming that the people close to them believed that they did rape someone. 2 of these falsely accused saw a court room.

3000+ victims of rape had their lives ruined by males.

When we are going on facts, rather than opinions, of course.
yes I sympathise and 188000 men had their lives destroyed by unsubstantiated anonymous vile accusations and you show those 188000 men zero empathy or understanding

Redway 15-10-2017 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658386)
youre lying again
And where’s the lie?

the truth 15-10-2017 04:35 PM
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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9658395)
Yes lets hope. Luckily the stats are against this happening, I doubt they would be in the 6/31,000,000 per year who are falsely accused. More chance of winning the lottery. Also much more chance of them being raped by another male (9000 men are raped per year by other men) than being falsely accused of rape. I will worry more about that tbh.
your facts are false. the chance sof it happening are huge 188000 fake accusations per year in the uk alone. I really hope if it happens you show them more support than youre showing innocent male victims on this thread. Be a good idea to show them this thread, no doubt theyd side with you through loyalty , but they may learn something about the enormous dangers facing innocent men

Vicky. 15-10-2017 04:43 PM
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Originally Posted by the truth (Post 9658419)
your facts are false. the chance sof it happening are huge 188000 fake accusations per year in the uk alone. I really hope if it happens you show them more support than youre showing innocent male victims on this thread. Be a good idea to show them this thread, no doubt theyd side with you through loyalty , but they may learn something about the enormous dangers facing innocent men
But this isn't true. Why do you keep saying this?

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:46 PM
:joker:

thesheriff443 15-10-2017 04:47 PM
This is were I stand, if your guilty of rape you need to go to prison, if you are a woman and you falsely accuse someone of rape you need to go to prison.

Do mistakes happen?, yes
Is life cruel most of the time?,yes

Marsh. 15-10-2017 04:50 PM
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Originally Posted by thesheriff443 (Post 9658452)
This is were I stand, if your guilty of rape you need to go to prison, if you are a woman and you falsely accuse someone of rape you need to go to prison.

Do mistakes happen?, yes
Is life cruel most of the time?,yes
Well I think everyone would agree with this.

I would hope anyway.


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