Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9774379)

I don't get the "I would never be attracted to a trans person" thing personally as you might not even know someone is trans, so it doesn't make much sense to me, but whatever, he's still entitled to that preference.

Originally Posted by rusticgal (Post 9774551)

This is her game. It's a shame really. I liked the look of her when she went in...I hoped she wasn't going to be a diva...but she has been just that.She is shallow and one dimensional and everything is about her and her journey.
She could have played this so differently...been mature and gained respect and represented the Transgender community better. She should respect other people's walk of life, add to debates and shown other sides of her...instead all she wants to do is talk about her transitions, her journey and make an issue about being called 'he' and making it all about her instead of trying to understand people around her accept her dramatic change.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9774576)

Yes indeed. Another reason I find 'vagina fetishist' for someone who is attracted to real/natal/biological women only really ****ing awful.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774615)

I take it that’s some transactivist slur for people who are attracted to real women?

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774541)

The thing is.There’s more to being a woman even physically than just a vagina.
Softer skin,Women smell different,Less hair,Rounder hips,different frame,less muscularity.Men don’t just think “pussy” when they see a woman.

Originally Posted by Scream (Post 9774628)

I assumed Malika was feeling sorry for India saying she is a victim in all of this. Am I wrong? Everyone seems to think different?

Originally Posted by Scream (Post 9774628)

I assumed Malika was feeling sorry for India saying she is a victim in all of this. Am I wrong? Everyone seems to think different?

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9774623)

Tends to only be applied to lesbians. Its not just transactivists, a lot of 'normal' transgender people are the same. Lesbians are transphobic bigots as penises on transwomen are female body parts and as such, its the vagina they want so they are vagina fetishists and need to get over their bigotry.

Sounds mental, but its actually fairly common these days. Literally every lesbians friend I have has had an experience with a person like this.



Watch this, if you have spare time. Its all absolutely bat****.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774658)

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9774651)

I know, I wasn't trying to make it sound like it's all about genitals lol, I was just responding to a comment about genitals. People can have whatever preferences they want though, and smells/touch/hair/body shape etc etc, all fine and I get it. The angle I was coming from was if somebody matched somebody else's preference in those ways or whatever way it might be, and they were attracted to them and wanted to date them, and the only thing that put them off was finding out they are trans, then although they're perfectly entitled to that, I just don't personally get why they would be.

Originally Posted by Gusto Brunt (Post 9774416)

She's very arrogant.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774658)

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774672)

Well i mean obviously people can change their preferences.Nothing wrong in that.
But also imo there’s nothing wrong in saying that you’re not attracted to trans people if you aren’t.
You can state that you would never date a trans person because that is how you genuinely feel.They don’t float your boat.
It’s just stating your sexuality.

Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9774705)

That's all fair enough, I'm not trying to say there's anything 'wrong' with holding that view though just to be clear, I'm just saying I don't really get why someone would rule out ever being attracted to someone, that they otherwise would be attracted to, purely on the basis of them being trans, if the status of being trans was all it came down to (however rare that situation might be). I don't think it's a 'wrong' view to hold though.

edit to add: I don't think it's the same as stating a sexuality though is it? Like if I was attracted to a trans man/born female I would still consider myself gay. I think.

Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9774705)

That's all fair enough, I'm not trying to say there's anything 'wrong' with holding that view though just to be clear, I'm just saying I don't really get why someone would rule out ever being attracted to someone, that they otherwise would be attracted to, purely on the basis of them being trans, if the status of being trans was all it came down to (however rare that situation might be). I don't think it's a 'wrong' view to hold though.

edit to add: I don't think it's the same as stating a sexuality though is it? Like if I was attracted to a trans man/born female I would still consider myself gay. I think.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774746)

See i think differently and it’s probably unpopular on here but I believe that a man can never become a woman no matter how many ops and hormones they have.To me they’re still male so if i found myself have feelings for a trans woman i’d consider myself gay.

Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9774705)

edit to add: I don't think it's the same as stating a sexuality though is it? Like if I was attracted to a trans man/born female I would still consider myself gay. I think.

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9774769)

This is where lines have to be drawn. People are entitled to be as they want, in whatever sexual form they want, but they should give everyone else the same respect and allow everyone else the same freedom to be themselves and express themselves as they want. Forcing someone to like something they just don't is never going to end well

As I said in a previous thread she has set the cause back 20 years by her appearance on this show.

Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9774705)

That's all fair enough, I'm not trying to say there's anything 'wrong' with holding that view though just to be clear, I'm just saying I don't really get why someone would rule out ever being attracted to someone, that they otherwise would be attracted to, purely on the basis of them being trans, if the status of being trans was all it came down to (however rare that situation might be). I don't think it's a 'wrong' view to hold though.

edit to add: I don't think it's the same as stating a sexuality though is it? Like if I was attracted to a trans man/born female I would still consider myself gay. I think.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774746)

See i think differently and it’s probably unpopular on here but I believe that a man can never become a woman no matter how many ops and hormones they have.To me they’re still male so if i found myself have feelings for a trans woman i’d consider myself gay.

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut (Post 9774774)

So...you're usually attracted to cis women and then find yourself having feelings for someone who identify as a woman and looks like a women but just so happens to be trans and despite not being attracted to cis males before or since, that makes you consider yourself to be gay? That doesn't make sense to me. Would you still consider yourself to be straight if you dated a trans man because they were assigned female at birth?

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut (Post 9774774)

So...you're usually attracted to cis women and then find yourself having feelings for someone who identify as a woman and looks like a women but just so happens to be trans and despite not being attracted to cis males before or since, that makes you consider yourself to be gay? That doesn't make sense to me. Would you still consider yourself to be straight if you dated a trans man because they were assigned female at birth?

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9774769)

This is where lines have to be drawn. People are entitled to be as they want, in whatever sexual form they want, but they should give everyone else the same respect and allow everyone else the same freedom to be themselves and express themselves as they want. Forcing someone to like something they just don't is never going to end well

As I said in a previous thread she has set the cause back 20 years by her appearance on this show.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9774420)

Well if we are honest, most times you can tell. Especially with transwomen. Transmen do tend to pass very well in a few cases but they still have vaginas, and if they do not, its still not a 'penis'

The likes of Blair White pass very well...male friends have said they do find Blair attractive facially and such but could not sleep with someone who has a penis, as they are not gay. Even with SRS, its not a 'vagina...its an inverted penis or bits of colon made into a hole. So its still different. So I definitely understand saying you could never go there sexually tbh. It does noone any favours to pretend neovaginas are actual vaginas.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9774623)

Tends to only be applied to lesbians. Its not just transactivists, a lot of 'normal' transgender people are the same. Lesbians are transphobic bigots as penises on transwomen are female body parts and as such, its the vagina they want so they are vagina fetishists and need to get over their bigotry.

Sounds mental, but its actually fairly common these days. Literally every lesbians friend I have has had an experience with a person like this.



Watch this, if you have spare time. Its all absolutely bat****.

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey (Post 9774658)

I have learned much from you on this topic.
I’ve seen that Riley before on Youtube.He/she/they seems like they have alot of growing up to do.
This whole agenda seems to have gone from ‘we want acceptance’ to ‘we want to reshape the world around us and force you all to think,feel and be how we want or you’re an evil bigoted transphobe’

Originally Posted by Maru (Post 9774795)

Yeah Blaire White is definitely passing. :laugh: She hasn't had the surgery though, she opted to keep her original equipment because she didn't want to lose the ability to orgasm (very understandable)




This video is such trash but a surprising amt of folk who exist out there think this way.



Agreed, it's gone too far. Now it's all about making grandiose moral accusations and covering up their own prejudice with emotional arguments whose sole purpose is to dictate to others and bully them into accepting their premise. It's no different than any other prejudice if you really listen to the reasoning behind their views and see the cues. There are some darker elements hiding behind these views, because when you feel you're superior enough to dictate to the rest of the group how the world not only should but MUST operate in order to achieve "total acceptance"... it's too similar for me to the Scientology scam and trying to achieve "clear".

And many of the arguments have a very strong hierarchy to them. Your gender/racial label literally dictates how you are expected to be treated/perceived.. and there's nothing you can do to escape it for the rest of your life. It's a very sad and miserable POV.

Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9774765)

Your sexuality is your own business, but personally if I was shagging a pre-op transman I would consider myself bi as the transman is female. Post op...not sure, but its not the same as a man as its all surgically constructed (also SRS for transmen is nowhere near as avanced as SRS for transwomen) but fairly sure I would still see them as female, just with...male features or something.

I think I have mentioned my extended family member before but there is a similar situation going on pretty close to me at the moment. A family member is dating a transwoman, the transwoman wants srs but my family member says she is not a lesbian and wants a cock to shag, basically. So she considers herself in a straight relationship.

Its all a bit..confusing really.But however someone looks at it, sex is a valid reason to turn someone down. Sexuality is not something anyone needs to 'get over' or be considered transphobic tbh..that does imply sexuality is a choice.

Originally Posted by Monkey Slut (Post 9774755)

I think it comes down to other people's perceptions, honestly.

I don't it's the same either.

Originally Posted by Brillopad (Post 9774773)

Sorry Jamie, no disrespect intended, but if I dated a man only to discover he had once been a woman I would struggle with that and believe I would not be able to get past it. It would be too uncomfortable for me. I think it would be a big deal for many people.

Originally Posted by -Sue- (Post 9774793)

Nadia Almada & Luke Anderson the only 2 housemates I can remember were nothing like India.. they were so easygoing and we actually got to know them as people not just their transgender side of things..

Originally Posted by Riley. (Post 9774881)

It seems to me that whilst India’s opinion and feelings are valid that it’s surelt hypocritical of her to be argue against somebody’s sexual preferences. Genuwine can choose who he does and does not sleep with and and it’s nobodies place to say otherwise.