But your views ARE who you are! The way we see the world is everything we are. I will keep bringing this back to the race allegory; if she had voted against black rights would you be defending two people of colour who chose to stand by her.

You are not your political standpoints and the labels you decide to yell at the top of ur lungs or give to other people

If our view points are not who we are, and our sexuality, race or gender is not who we are.. then who the **** are we?!

We are people

People will walk away if you keep shouting about your rights.

We all have rights, we all have things we don't like about our lives, make the best of what you have and stop whining.

Well, that’s cleared that up

I am not my eye colour, hair colour, skin colour, sexuality

If you wish to make trivial things define u go ahead

I can’t with this child.

Have another drink, you’ve stopped making sense

It makes sense - we don't say "I'M A LOUD PROUD BLUE EYED PERSON, GET OVER IT!" do it, because blue eyes don't affect us as a person. Centering your personality around being gay makes as much sense as doing so around your eye colour.

Ok but like ur doing this community damage if u think all that people should be about is their sexuality or their views about sexuality

People are more complex than that have u ever interacted with dynamic human beings

We don't always agree, you and I Chuff, but I totally agree with you on this. All my gay friends are just part of the wider community, with a mixture of friends... I don't understand why people would want to section themselves off in the way some gay people want. Everyone has opinions, if we're going to scrutinise everyone to make sure they're views are "acceptable" before deciding whether they're good or bad, we're all going to be pretty lonely.

I didn’t say it was ALL we are. I said it’s a big part. And I honestly believe it is. Like I already stated if you spend 17/18 years in the closet. Denying who you are. Then having to come out. Then finding your tribe. It’s going to affect your life.

Why does your "tribe" need to change from the set of friends and family you already have? I don't know a single person through "being LGBT", but I do have LGBT friends I picked up along the way through living my life.

When did anyone ever try to stop black people marrying each other?

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

I don’t spend my time in gay bars and clubs either. Not very often anyway. I still consider myself a part of the wider gay community.

And I will always judge people on their views and opinions. It’s who they are. If I meet someone at a bus stop and have a pleasant conversation I’m not going to pursue a friendship with said person if they start spouting rubbish about foreigners coming over and stealing our jobs. Or talking about banging birds or any of the usual stuff you hear from your average bigot.

Exactly. It’s a ridiculous conceit it’s it?

Ik a lot of gay people who only hang around with other gay people, me myself I haven’t let it really dictate social groups or anything because I don’t think it should. People are people. I like a person for their whole package not just a common sexuality

No it's a ridiculous analogy but you carry on making them up.

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

You have struck the nail on the head eloquently. Yes, had Ann got her way there would have been NO equal marriage nor age of Consent for Gay men. I cannot believe how both Wayne and Amanda shove their heads in the sand. They're a disgrace to the LGBT Community to which neither clearly now belong!

I’m the same as you. Not much changed with the people I had around me. Luckily. But I’ve worked with LGBT societies at uni and with charities and in community centres for years and there are tons and tons of kids who’s whole lives get turned upside down when they come out.

Not everyone is as lucky as us. And these people a lot of the time creat their own family’s within the gay community. It’s a very common thing

So people who are not haters are thrown out of the "community".

Nice

Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk

It’s a perfectly sound analogy that you have thus far refused to actually address. But that’s fine.

I think the implication was more that they have purposely removed themselves from said community

Wait, what?

So you don’t believe homophobia is a even a thing? Or am I wildly missing your point?

But there is now, why keep on about it

You might have a point if it didn't happen but it has

Wayne and Amanda know more about the Gay life by the very choice of their careers in the entertainments industry, Gay rights didn't start when LGTB came on the scene.

Why an Australian drag queen can think he knows more than two worldly people who have lived many more years and have much more experience is arrogant nonsense. Amanda said she knew Danny La Rue who would knock Shane J act into next year if he was still alive.

Going round in circles as someone wrote on here, recently, gets you nowhere.

No, that's not what I meant. I was saying that neither now considered themselves part of the LGBT Community - nobody was throwing them out?!

In other words they both appeared to be so unbothered that they'd aligned themselves to an arch homophobe, who voted over both their rights to marry a same sex partner, that they didn't consider themselves as Gay. This is referred to as being 'self loathing' - where a person cannot properly come to terms with their 'sexuality' and instead rebels internally and sides with homophobes.

Can't you see they have risen above all that and got to know the person.

What is so hard to understand.

Neither Amanda or Wayne can be thought of a self loathing, where did that come from, two more people at terms with their sexuality and lifestyle would be hard to find.

They are not so dogmatic or judgmental that they have to keep bashing others over the head to agree with them.

Would others copy them and just be happy.

Once again we agree but the trouble with a lot of gays who bang on about wanting equality is that they actually want the opposite, they hate the idea of being equals, they want to stand out as being different and be given special treatment, they will try and cause division at every chance they get, bleating on about their rights all the time, they neither want to or have any intention of fitting in, they are some of the worst bigots I know and like Shane J they do not represent me.

I so agree, they ask for equality, get it and then want to stretch the boundaries and become special.

No one is special.

its your individuality that defines you, if you attach yourself to a cause, its entirely the right of the individual to do that, but they then become part of the herd and lose their individuality. They think and behave like a single organism losing their individuality. It may be nice for people that can't think and act for themselves, but it doesn't leave any room for growing as a person. It is a shallow existence

I'll translate this post

'They are BEST representation, they keep quiet and don't acknowledge the problems that the non-majority have so I don't find them threatening.'

As for the rest of your post, people fighting for equal rights and for the right to not be scared that they will be without family or friends or a roof over their heads if they dare share their truth are not 'whining' or 'self absorbed'. You have no ****ing clue what it's like and you lack the empathy to ever understand it. You should be thankful for the former but saddened by the latter, your life would be richer for it if you could empathise with people outside of your own viewpoints and situation.

100% agree.

:clap1: Well said.

Thankyou!!! :clap1:

Shane J is on a mission to turn the house against Ann , he's very sly & bitchy!! .

And quite frankly he's become another India , he's playing the same card over and over again . He has no substance he's embarrassing :bored: .

I still like Wayne, but I last night show has put me off Amanda. She was so passive aggressive. If someone had talked to me like that i would have kicked off. I respect Shane so much for remaining calm.

Remaining calm??? :facepalm: he's a patronising sly snake !! .
in last night's HL show he had an unhealthy obsession with Ann , i lost count the amount of times the voice over kept saying "Ann is still the topic" or "Ann is still on Shane J's mind" :bored:.

There was something unpleasant about the way in which Amanda spoke last night and it put me off her too.

What about Shane J's constant bitchiness of Ann , wasn't that unpleasant? .
Amanda was sticking up for Ann and she's clearly fed up of the same political debate on Ann's views on the LGBT community .

Shane J has nothing to give the public now that Andrew's gone his showmance has ended, so now he's pulling an India and playing the victim with this same card , Ann hasn't hurt him in any way yet he continues to pursue this vendetta towards her which is very uncomfortable and tiresome to watch :facepalm:.

Amanda clearly told Shane J she's friends with Ann and it doesn't matter to her what Ann's views are as she's not there to grill Ann .

...I do understand ShaneJ in feeling he tries to represent the gay community in a way he feels is best...that’s just him and the person he is and thinking of the wider community, rather than just himself and how/whether he’s been impacted personally by inequality...Wayne didn’t even appear to know of Ann’s opposing to legislation that had enabled him to marry his partner, which is obviously a big part of his life...Amanda did seem to know but she’s obviously married as well, so maybe really was just thinking about herself and how she might feel ‘equal’...but many don’t, well they don’t because ‘equality’ still isn’t there so the ‘struggle’ goes on...in the context of work and my working life, there have been gay colleagues...some of who have married or had civil partnerships...because of their chosen profession/vocation in life...the simplest of things are denied them...things like saying ‘my husband and I’ did this, went there also or did that etc ...or showing wedding photographs because those photos show two guys on their special day...anyways, some things that wouldn’t apply in a heterosexual relationship...so although there are civil partnerships now and although there is marriage also..there is still the struggle for true equality ..and that’s the wider picture that Shane sees...but not the wider picture that Amanda and Wayne are looking at.../..all just different people I guess..