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It's about how best to liberate ourselves from a dangerous mentality that judges people not as individuals - but according to their 'type'. We have to move away from 'group-think' and embrace individualism. As individuals we stand equal But once you start segregating people into groups and then judging them according to your social barometer, then we are in trouble. That's how racism works. Of course we all agree that the KKK and misogynist attitudes are wrong for how they demonise innocent people according to their race or gender. But Black Lives Matter and the #MeToo movement - also do the same thing: judge people according to race and gender! It's just the same mentality in reverse! Innocent white people are demonised by BLM, and innocent men are demonised by #MeToo TRUE that racists and misogynists started this racial/gender divide - but we have to be SO careful not to perpetuate it by doing the EXACT same thing and demonising innocent INDIVIDUALS out of some kind of 'social revenge'. Crimes against blacks or women were not committed by ALL whites or ALL men - so why demonise the whole genre? It's like blaming ALL MUSLIMS for the attacks by ISIS! Crimes were committed by INDIVIDUALS and those people must be held to account. Don't blame their whole race/gender or religion! . |
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The whole 'innocent men and innocent white people' being victimised by Metoo and BLM made me roll my eyes in a way that Ann would have stood up and clapped for. BLM isn't against all white people, it isn't even against white people, it's against police brutality, it was formed in response to a string of unjustified murders committed by the police against black people. If you look at BLM and think that they are against white people then you are missing the point. Same for Metoo, it's not an attack on men, it's an attack on anyone that sexually abuses, assaults or harasses others. If you see the movement as an attack on 'innocent men' then you've missed the point again. You've not really given me any reason to believe that you aren't just another person that wants to shut up voices they don't want to hear. |
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https://www.leoweekly.com/2017/08/white-people/ 2. Women denouncing metoo and it's negative effects on men and women http://metro.co.uk/2018/01/10/cather...etter-7218327/ 3. Give me an example of when i wanted to shut anyone up! I'm discussing constructive ways to evolve beyond the corrosive and divisive mentality of social stereotypes. I'm denouncing racism, misogyny and religious bigotry and saying how we must be careful not to perpetuate it further. I'm discussing equality in a meaningful way by embracing us as individuals - not as groups! It's all there in my posts. Can't see how you can miss all that unless a) you haven't read my posts properly or b) you are deliberately ignoring it . |
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A voice damning a movement doesn't rob it of it's validity either. As for your final point, it's called reading between the lines. You say you want equality but your criticism of these groups and the fact that you're justifying your dislike through both a warped understanding of their goals and presenting singular people as evidence of your claims speaks louder. The fact that you are suggesting civil rights group help perpetuate these issues further than if they were silent says it all. It's that silence you're after. |
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You think that level of racism is acceptable? I don't. Not by ANYONE, black or white. Justify it, ignore it all you like. But you cannot seriously claim to be for equality if you do. 2. The open letter raises some serious questions about the potential harm of the metoo movement for both men AND women and it's impact on how we flirt, seduce, approach and perceive each other. Again you can ignore it if you want to, but you cannot claim to be for social righteousness if you are so ready to dismiss such serious concerns. 3. It's not called 'reading between the lines'. It's called 'you putting words into my mouth' Nowhere have i asked for anyone's silence. Quite the reverse, i have opened up this thread for discussion! Sounds like you are the one trying to do the silencing of any perspective that threatens your own narrative. You want equality and fair treatment? So do I. On that we can agree. The question is how do we achieve that? You seem to be defending the 'group think' approach. Judging by the examples given such as the BLM's racist demands. i can't see how that can do anything but make it worse. I'm saying take the individualist approach. Pursue the INDIVIDUALS for the crimes they commit: whether that is white cops killing innocent blacks or muslim men raping white girls. Pursuing those individuals by law, will send out the message to any other would-be criminals that such treatment of others is not acceptable. No need to demonise all whites or all cops due to the criminal actions of certain individuals. No need to demonise all muslims for the criminal actions of certain individuals. I can think of nothing more racist or more destructive than continuing down that path. |
To clarify. This is what i'm talking about:
I have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin, but by the content of their character. Martin Luther King, Jr. . |
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To be honest I think it takes a lot of years to come to the realisation that PEOPLE ARE PEOPLE. In my younger days I would of made judgements about people based on their "group" now I take each individual as I find them. That comes with age which is why Wayne and Amanda have it. Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk |
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Yes, I went through the same thing. Used to see groups before people. With age, comes wisdom. You see the pitfalls of your old perceptions. And the importance of evolving them. |
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There was a quote from Ann day 1 in the house that went something like ‘a girl came up to me in parliament and said ‘isn’t it bad how men treat us’ and they didn’t treat her bad because she was a woman they treated her bad because she was useless’ |
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I could go on and on about this but I figure this is probably enough and anymore will have me labelled a raving lunatic :laugh: There are so many different ways people experience discrimination that are not necessarily about the law being unequal. This is why I believe equity is better than equality. Equality totally ignores the various ways that people are still discriminated against. Equality is a great idea, but its just not feasible in reality, if everyone started off on equal footing, then it would be different, but they do not. Sometimes treating everyone equal is the most unfair thing you can do. Edited to add. I don't walk around feeling sorry for myself because I am a woman and may face discrimination or be attacked for something I cannot change mind. But I do acknowledge that I am likely to be disadvantaged due to my sex. |
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Professional victimhood is the name of the game now, and why ? because the young, today, dont want to think, or feel, for themselves, so they go online to see HOW they should think and feel, and read a load of drivel from other professional victims I had a friend who killed himself because his family would not accept him being gay, that was an horrendous time and I would not wish that feeling on anyone, but the only thing he wanted, was to be seen as who he was, a loving, kind, intelligent man, who treated everyone with respect if they deserved it, and the only thing he wanted was for his family to see him as their Son/Brother, and not the 'Gay' man he was, because just as heterosexuals do not share their sexual preferences around the dinner table, he did not see why his sexual preference was the 'elephant in the room' The day we dont ask, an obviously gay man, if he is gay, or an obviously black person, where they/their parents are from will be a day to celebrate Of course we will still have the snowflakes crying into their quinoa but seriously, who gives a f..k! |
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He has been dying for Ann to get personal and rude, but she hasnt, he must be gutted His 'professional victim' status isnt working lol |
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The middle class are responsible for this and must be destroyed Hows that for fairness lol |
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The individual who won't hire a woman and the individual who will carry out a sexual assault. What I'm trying to say is we can only change one person and that's ourselves. That in turn filters down to our children and so on and so on. Sent from my SM-G925F using Tapatalk |
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I do think as time goes on things will actually become more equal. But for now, things are not equal in reality even though the law is equal. The bolded bit I definitely agree with. |
i have no issue with a group promoting equality for a group that is disadvantaged, however, there always comes a point where that group misrepresents the members it is supposed to represent. Why? because no one thinks the same, no one faces exactly the same challenges. As the group approaches gaining equality, it feels it has to justify itself by demanding more and more and at that point people kick back against it and association with that group becomes more of a hindrance than an advantage. There are countless examples of this throughout history. As a group only so much can be achieved and then its up to the individual, because believe it or not, life just isn't fair, it doesn't work like that. Some have to work much harder to achieve their aims than others. That will never change, because we are not born equal.
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I had years of workplace experience as well and applied for a job in London and went for an interview. The man looked at my CV asked about my work and at the end of the interview said I was too old to lead his young team, this was his only comment. I immediately said he couldn't say this and went to the local job centre for advice. They found out later that he employed a man older than me with no qualifications. I took it to tribunal where he said I had not enough experience and supplied my CV with the whole page of my working life, missing. I had his solicitor ring me with threats saying my claim was malicious and I would be liable for high court costs. I told him to get lost or I would report him for harassment. On the morning of the tribunal, they conceded without going to court. I refused to accept their first measly offer but accepted a second. This is just my experience of how a woman of an age was treated in the workplace. I spent some of the money on a lovely trip to Hong Kong, Thailand and Singapore, I sent him a postcard saying thanks:laugh: |
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It's created a sense of mass entitlement and for many - an inability to deal with facts and perspectives that challenge their own narrative. Not good for when you cut the apron strings and hit the real world. That's why so many people today can't have a discussion without immediately labelling their opponent and shutting down the debate. The media doesn't help either, the way it stirs up division and hate on a daily basis. I reckon all 18-21 year olds should be required to work in a third world country for a month. A government scheme like national service. Nothing makes you grow up quicker, have respect for others and appreciate what you've got. That would sort out the first world problems from the REAL issues. . |
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