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Cherie 03-02-2018 10:48 AM

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Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 9847038)
Yes, Courtney has said many times that he cannot keep relationships going, so he isn't exactly leading a fulfilled life either. Emma didn't ask him about that.

Yeo nothing! And the thing about the cats I think was a deliberathe slight as well, in fairness to Rylan he is far more professional and doesn't show any bias

Jamie89 03-02-2018 10:54 AM

She said as well that she'd reasoned herself into forming her views over a number of years which was interesting, I think it goes to show that they aren't as dictated by her religion as often gets suggested.

caprimint 03-02-2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by MTVN (Post 9845958)
I've quite liked Ann in there but I thought it was mean spirited to call out Emma's interviewing ability and try and show her up like that. It's not a combative political interview, it's supposed to be a friendly chat about her time in the house, there was no need for her to be so defensive

Oop I didn't watch, what happened?

Jamie89 03-02-2018 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by caprimint (Post 9847064)
Oop I didn't watch, what happened?

Emma basically asked her if the conversations in the house has made her reflect, she gave quite a firm no but Emma continued to push the question anyway, and then Ann said something like 'you can keep asking me the same question but you'll get the same answer' and Emma seemed a bit awkward about it.

Jamie89 03-02-2018 11:05 AM

Asking about Ann's dead cats was probably more awkward though :laugh:

caprimint 03-02-2018 11:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9847082)
Emma basically asked her if the conversations in the house has made her reflect, she gave quite a firm no but Emma continued to push the question anyway, and then Ann said something like 'you can keep asking me the same question but you'll get the same answer' and Emma seemed a bit awkward about it.

Oh right. Well she should know with Ann that there's no changing her views, whether it be a situation or general life :laugh:

Kazanne 03-02-2018 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9846613)
The "bollox" question drew attention to Ann's double standards re. swearing. It's ok when her bezzy mate does it, but not others.
Well done Emma.

Actually what Ann said was right, it was the context of it as it was so random it WAS funny,no one expected it, but the constant swearing used by the 'boys' is bloody annoying and some swearing is said in an aggressive way as was Andrews when he called Ann a twunt,I have to say Bollox is my favourite swear word and usually makes me laugh,there were other things Emma could have spoken about imo.

bots 03-02-2018 11:21 AM

the fact that they analyzed a months worth of footage in the house and the only thing they could find was that she laughed once when someone said bollocks says it all

Livia 03-02-2018 11:22 AM

I'm usually a big fan of Emma, but I was really disappointed with her last night and her whole approach to Ann. Yes, Emma, Ann lives alone. No, her cats are dead now... do you have ANY researchers on the show at all? Emma's approach was not only kind of spiteful but also surprisingly patronising... she had that face on that some people usually use when they're dealing with someone with special needs.

Equality, eh?

Livia 03-02-2018 11:24 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9847083)
Asking about Ann's dead cats was probably more awkward though :laugh:

That's funny to you? After I've read your posts full of how we should all be accepting?

THIS is what spoilt CBB for me.

Ammi 03-02-2018 11:29 AM

..yeah of course, she’s allowed her views which aren’t perhaps thought of as ‘fashionable’ but I think for me personally, views arent something that would follow a fashion/trend anyway...our views are things we carry through life and they can change, they’re not a fixed or a rigid thing...they’re changeable with our experiences etc, as well as the experiences of others we may know..and those things touch our lives as well, which then can often make us re-assess our views...as Jamie said, the indication I got from Ann in the house and then with her interview is that her views are formed, all boxed up and that she’s not open to anything that would go against those views, those views are all done and dusted.. so has basically stopped absorbing and learning/staying open and interested with some areas...I think that’s why Emma pushed it a bit and repeated..because what (..it felt to me..)...of the things she had ‘learned’ in the house and with the experience of being with so many different characters etc...were things like, oh I’ve had to get used to swearing and that house needed a swear
are box..or I become a Spice Girl, or they can all become a little rowdy at time...anyways, I can’t recall the specifics but ..there was no, well I lived with a transsexual, a gay drag queen, a lesbian, a model ...which I think Jess is but I’m not sure...and I learned about that 14yr old boy from Shane J and I hadn’t thought of some views from that perspective before...I just think Emma persisted and repeated because that’s maybe more how she was hoping the interview would be...

bots 03-02-2018 11:34 AM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9847129)
..yeah of course, she’s allowed her views which aren’t perhaps thought of as ‘fashionable’ but I think for me personally, views arent something that would follow a fashion/trend anyway...our views are things we carry through life and they can change, they’re not a fixed or a rigid thing...they’re changeable with our experiences etc, as well as the experiences of others we may know..and those things touch our lives as well, which then can often make us re-assess our views...as Jamie said, the indication I got from Ann in the house and then with her interview is that her views are formed, all boxed up and that she’s not open to anything that would go against those views, those views are all done and dusted.. so has basically stopped absorbing and learning/staying open and interested with some areas...I think that’s why Emma pushed it a bit and repeated..because what (..it felt to me..)...of the things she had ‘learned’ in the house and with the experience of being with so many different characters etc...were things like, oh I’ve had to get used to swearing and that house needed a swear
are box..or I become a Spice Girl, or they can all become a little rowdy at time...anyways, I can’t recall the specifics but ..there was no, well I lived with a transsexual, a gay drag queen, a lesbian, a model ...which I think Jess is but I’m not sure...and I learned about that 14yr old boy from Shane J and I hadn’t thought of some views from that perspective before...I just think Emma persisted and repeated because that’s maybe more how she was hoping the interview would be...

To be fair to Ann, what she actually said was that her views had been formed over years and that they were unlikely to be changed by a couple of conversations. I thought she made herself very clear, and most of us would respond the same if we had a detailed knowledge on a particular topic.

Twosugars 03-02-2018 11:37 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9847061)
She said as well that she'd reasoned herself into forming her views over a number of years which was interesting, I think it goes to show that they aren't as dictated by her religion as often gets suggested.

That's ten times worse in my book. If she was a bigot just because of her take on religious teaching, that's one thing, but if she reasoned and arrived at such antiquated opinions, well that says it all about her. Narrow-minded bigot.
Now on the way back to Dartmoor to roam as one of Britain's remaining dinosaurs.

Jamie89 03-02-2018 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9847110)
That's funny to you? After I've read your posts full of how we should all be accepting?

THIS is what spoilt CBB for me.

It was a cringeworthy moment and yes there is some dark humour in the misunderstanding/the situation happening... not the actual death of the cats, sheesh. What exactly is it that I'm not being accepting of/that you're accusing me of here Livia?

Livia 03-02-2018 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9847161)
It was a cringeworthy moment and yes there is some dark humour in the misunderstanding/the situation happening... not the actual death of the cats, sheesh. What exactly is it that I'm not being accepting of/that you're accusing me of here Livia?

An old woman, probably quite close to her cats, loses them..... While Emma's drilling home about how Ann's alone... bring up the cats. Stupid, unprofessional and actually quite cruel.

And you found it funny.

Jamie89 03-02-2018 11:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9847170)
An old woman, probably quite close to her cats, loses them..... While Emma's drilling home about how Ann's alone... bring up the cats. Stupid, unprofessional and actually quite cruel.

And you found it funny.

Oh it was a misunderstanding Livia and yes sometimes I think humour can be dark and a situation can be humurous even if the subject matter isn't... I can't beleive I'm explaining dark humour.

I'll ask again, rather than just pointing out the situation and the fact I found humour in it, what is it that I'm not accepting of?

Livia 03-02-2018 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9847206)
Oh it was a misunderstanding Livia and yes sometimes I think humour can be dark and a situation can be humurous even if the subject matter isn't... I can't beleive I'm explaining dark humour.

I'll ask again, rather than just pointing out the situation and the fact I found humour in it, what is it that I'm not accepting of?

You don't understand dark humour, so how could you explain it to me??

You've called Ann a Snowflake on another thread, because her cats died and Emma was stupid enough to bring it up.

I really don't want to talk to you anymore today.

Jamie89 03-02-2018 11:54 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9847213)
You don't understand dark humour, so how could you explain it to me??

You've called Ann a Snowflake on another thread, because her cats died and Emma was stupid enough to bring it up.

I really don't want to talk to you anymore today.

What?? No I haven't

Still not sure how I'm not accepting or how I've provided an example of what has ruined the series for you. Honestly Livia I think you've just lept on an opportunity to try and paint me as a hypocrite, since I've been vocal on the 'acceptance' side of things this series and maybe that would help prove whatever point it is you're trying to make (less vagueness would help on that front), so yes I'm fine with this conversation ending if you're not happy to explain what it is you meant.

Jake. 03-02-2018 11:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9847213)
You don't understand dark humour, so how could you explain it to me??

You've called Ann a Snowflake on another thread, because her cats died and Emma was stupid enough to bring it up.

I really don't want to talk to you anymore today.

That was Luke..

jaxie 03-02-2018 12:15 PM

You know I wrote a post yesterday congratulating Shane fans. No responses on that thread.

I have to say I find the nastiness, misogyny and the humour about what is rather a sad old age, alone, dead pets really disappointing on this thread. Can you take that somewhere else please?

Jack_ 03-02-2018 12:21 PM

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Originally Posted by Livia (Post 9847213)
You don't understand dark humour, so how could you explain it to me??

You've called Ann a Snowflake on another thread, because her cats died and Emma was stupid enough to bring it up.

I really don't want to talk to you anymore today.

:joker:

God, what an overreaction.

Don't worry Jamie, I know that it was an instance of dark humour and anyone else would realise you weren't laughing at the death of her cats.

Ammi 03-02-2018 12:22 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9847146)
To be fair to Ann, what she actually said was that her views had been formed over years and that they were unlikely to be changed by a couple of conversations. I thought she made herself very clear, and most of us would respond the same if we had a detailed knowledge on a particular topic.

...thing is though, sometimes it can only take one conversation or one small thing even, to set those thoughts in motion and feel hmmm....those undiscovered thoughts that can create reassessments in our views...I agree, that if ‘years’ were an essential for a ‘forming’ to be fixed, then that would obviously be something to be considered as well...but that time is really not an essential at all.../...for me, either in the house or in her interview, with some beliefs and some views..Ann hasn’t given any indication of any openness to her ‘forming’...any possible changeability about it...

Ammi 03-02-2018 12:24 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9847336)
You know I wrote a post yesterday congratulating Shane fans. No responses on that thread.

I have to say I find the nastiness, misogyny and the humour about what is rather a sad old age, alone, dead pets really disappointing on this thread. Can you take that somewhere else please?

...thank you, Jaxie...:hug:...I hadn’t actually seen the thread but that was very..(..typically..)...thoughtful of you..

Jamie89 03-02-2018 12:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Jack_ (Post 9847366)
:joker:

God, what an overreaction.

Don't worry Jamie, I know that it was an instance of dark humour and anyone else would realise you weren't laughing at the death of her cats.

Thanks Jack. I'll think more carefully next time I dare to describe something as awkward and use a laughing smiley :laugh: (oops)

Beso 03-02-2018 12:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9847336)
You know I wrote a post yesterday congratulating Shane fans. No responses on that thread.

I have to say I find the nastiness, misogyny and the humour about what is rather a sad old age, alone, dead pets really disappointing on this thread. Can you take that somewhere else please?

Yes..i did in the fan thread too....not even a thank you.

poppsywoppsy 03-02-2018 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Ammi (Post 9847373)
...thing is though, sometimes it can only take one conversation or one small thing even, to set those thoughts in motion and feel hmmm....those undiscovered thoughts that can create reassessments in our views...I agree, that if ‘years’ were an essential for a ‘forming’ to be fixed, then that would obviously be something to be considered as well...but that time is really not an essential at all.../...for me, either in the house or in her interview, with some beliefs and some views..Ann hasn’t given any indication of any openness to her ‘forming’...any possible changeability about it...

Why do you think that is?

Reasoned discussions may one day have an impact.

Banging it into ones head with a sledgehammer will have the opposite

Trying to make someone say something so they become vilified won't change them.

Ganging up on them won't change them

Huddling in groups badmouthing them won't change them.

Twosugars 03-02-2018 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9847403)
Yes..i did in the fan thread too....not even a thank you.

such sensitivity... admirable and may it continue:blush:

I saw your post, but can't find jaxie's.

Didn't know it was de rigeur to offer thanks :shrug: I'm a newbie so forgive me for not knowing the protocol. :conf:
But if it is, then may I be so bold as to offer a thank you for your congratulations on behalf of all ShaneJ/Courtney supporters.

I guess we've been too busy celebrating and defending our winner on variety of made up charges from looking like a dogs dinner to having a sinister agenda.

Beso 03-02-2018 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9847456)
such sensitivity... admirable and may it continue:blush:

I saw your post, but can't find jaxie's.

Didn't know it was de rigeur to offer thanks :shrug: I'm a newbie so forgive me for not knowing the protocol. :conf:
But if it is, then may I be so bold as to offer a thank you for your congratulations on behalf of all ShaneJ/Courtney supporters.

I guess we've been too busy celebrating and defending our winner on variety of made up charges from looking like a dogs dinner to having a sinister agenda.

I accept your thank you...cause i ignore sarcasm...but please, please tell me you didnt think shane looked anything else but that of what dogs dine on.:shrug:

Twosugars 03-02-2018 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 9847479)
I accept your thank you...cause i ignore sarcasm...but please, please tell me you didnt think shane looked anything else but that of what dogs dine on.:shrug:

and I will answer...cause I ignore sarcasm too...

I didn't like the ponytail do, but I liked the outfit even though it wasn't very practical
the bottom line is Shane J always makes a stunning looking woman, which is impressive because as a boy, while not ugly, he is not a stunner

Beso 03-02-2018 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9847535)
and I will answer...cause I ignore sarcasm too...

I didn't like the ponytail do, but I liked the outfit even though it wasn't very practical
the bottom line is Shane J always makes a stunning looking woman, which is impressive because as a boy, while not ugly, he is not a stunner

He isnt my type at all...cause he looks nothing like a woman.

jaxie 03-02-2018 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9847456)
such sensitivity... admirable and may it continue:blush:

I saw your post, but can't find jaxie's.

Didn't know it was de rigeur to offer thanks :shrug: I'm a newbie so forgive me for not knowing the protocol. :conf:
But if it is, then may I be so bold as to offer a thank you for your congratulations on behalf of all ShaneJ/Courtney supporters.

I guess we've been too busy celebrating and defending our winner on variety of made up charges from looking like a dogs dinner to having a sinister agenda.

I wasn't asking for thanks. But it's always nice to get in return the courtesy you offer. I wouldn't say there was defending rather than gloating going on.

Twosugars 03-02-2018 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by jaxie (Post 9847576)
I wasn't asking for thanks. But it's always nice to get in return the courtesy you offer. I wouldn't say there was defending rather than gloating going on.

where is that post of yours? I can't find it

Vicky. 03-02-2018 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Jamie89 (Post 9847061)
She said as well that she'd reasoned herself into forming her views over a number of years which was interesting, I think it goes to show that they aren't as dictated by her religion as often gets suggested.

Yes, I picked up on this too actually. I had assumed that her views were as they were mainly for religious reasons, but clearly not if they have been shaped over her years rather than being...fixed by religion. If I have put that right.

Emmas interviewing was all over the place I reckon last night. Especially with both Ann and Shane. Trying to force Ann into saying stuff (and getting shut down...and apparently Ann is wrong for that?!) and bringing up her dead cats..and then making Shanes interview entirely about ****ing Andrew when there were so many interesting things she could have asked..well it was a bit of a car crash tbh. I know she probably doesn't actually write the interviews, but whoever does needs to be sacked. It was dreadful.

Brillopad 03-02-2018 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by GoldHeart (Post 9846548)
Ann is who she is and she's not changing for anyone , and even if you don't agree with her atleast you know she won't turn into Dr Jekyll and mr hyde like some hm's :whistle: . And you know where you stand with her.

Good point. Shane was whoever was best suited to the occasion to get the most benefit for him. He is a wannabe.

jaxie 03-02-2018 03:03 PM

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Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 9847599)
where is that post of yours? I can't find it

http://www.thisisbigbrother.com/foru...321&highlight=

You can find all posts by clicking a persons name and looking for more posts by them.

jaxie 03-02-2018 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky. (Post 9847644)
Yes, I picked up on this too actually. I had assumed that her views were as they were mainly for religious reasons, but clearly not if they have been shaped over her years rather than being...fixed by religion. If I have put that right.

Emmas interviewing was all over the place I reckon last night. Especially with both Ann and Shane. Trying to force Ann into saying stuff (and getting shut down...and apparently Ann is wrong for that?!) and bringing up her dead cats..and then making Shanes interview entirely about ****ing Andrew when there were so many interesting things she could have asked..well it was a bit of a car crash tbh. I know she probably doesn't actually write the interviews, but whoever does needs to be sacked. It was dreadful.

I think though that even the staunchly religious, particularly if they are intelligent are allowed to doubt or question. We can't know without asking her but it's possible she felt at odds with some of the church teachings and spent many years internalising before acceptance.

poppsywoppsy 03-02-2018 03:24 PM

What gets me is that Ann religious views are held by millions in many many countries.

Her voting history was not done alone but alongside her MP colleagues

But because she signed up for a low rent reality show, it becomes all her fault.

Withano 03-02-2018 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by poppsywoppsy (Post 9847813)
What gets me is that Ann religious views are held by millions in many many countries.

Her voting history was not done alone but alongside her MP colleagues

But because she signed up for a low rent reality show, it becomes all her fault.

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bots 03-02-2018 03:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Withano (Post 9847831)
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It shouldnt be a shock that people talk about he past, presnt and the future of housemates on THIS IS BIG BROTHER DOT COM.

Spoiler:

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Withano 03-02-2018 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 9847848)
who are you?

Stop hitting on me


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