It's a massive waste of time, you're either forcing people to delay their lives (and potentially end/ruin them) with military service or with pointless busy work in the guise of charity. It's utterly pointless either way.

I was thinking 65-70 year olds should do the same if they missed out on the 18-25.

In your head..not mine.

Military service would not bestow 'respect' (I'd say the phrase you are looking for is compliance) upon people today anymore than it did when National Service was a thing, which is to say, it didn't.

National Service was a waste of time and resources back then and it would be a waste of time and resources now.

Charity work for the right people in the right places would instill respect.

Tell me the actual benefits then, What is the benefits of wasting a year of someone's life in military service that they do not want or might not be suitable for (and could easily cause them harm or death) OR having them waste time working in a Charity shop when they could be in training or forging their own career?

There's no benefits to it. It's just a waste of time that's designed to punish the younger generations.

You can't see what's up with forcing people to give up a year of their lives to do something they probably don't want to do, or even worse, will not be able to handle it?

And it's a complete fantasy if you think that you could find enough placements in meaningful charity work for everyone who would be forced to do it. People would just end up in a charity shop for a year of their lives and they would have nothing to show for it.

Id rather not talk with you, you're mind wont be changed and im not having you pick holes in my answers all night. But thanks all the same though.

But, that's an ambiguous term, so by charity work you mean what exactly?

So... you will only discuss with people who will change their minds to line up with yours and who won't question what you're suggesting?

So, "Here's a serious debate, but no debate please".

:joker: I knew this forum was getting laughable but this takes the biscuit.

No, just folk that dont argue for the sake of arguing.

Youve obviously no interest in the subject as you find the idea so ridiculous.


Why would i waste my energy?...gnight.

So, you don't want a debate then?

So quite why you started one in the debates section is a mystery to everyone.

I fixed the front page. I did wonder why everyone was having a go.

So that raises two questions.

1) Why didn't you start the thread with a news story if you wanted discussion on that? Rather than a debate question you were providing.

and

2) What drew your attention to a news article four and a half years old?

*disagreeing with you.

to be honest i couldnt be bothered to get into it tonight as something came up in between making it and getting involved in it.

My heart just wasnt in it when i came back....so gave up...

Then acted a bit petulantly..my apologies.:wavey:

So you don't actually want to debate the topic? The topic you posted in the Serious Debates section?

I will when im ready to respond properly, if of course you are ok with that.

Fair enough. Maybe you should've just left it and responded appropriately later on or in the morning. The thread will still be here.

Thank you.

That's fine.

6.54-8.03


Get in there my son; something did indeed come up.

:unsure:

I edited that.

People should not be forced to do something against their will.

It's kind of common sense.

Absolutely not

The army doesn't want conscripts. You have to be educated to be in today's army, they only take people with good grades... the last thing the Services want is a bunch of disengaged, resentful teenagers.

:clap1: My thoughts exactly.

The issue is that teens are forced to do a lot more now compared to before when this was around and have tons more pressure - having to take 30 odd exams in a 2/3 week period, than having to remain in education for at least 2 more years amongst other things. These things make sine teens lives misery so you want to make it worse? Sure.

Every generation claims their teenage years are harder than everyone else's. And they're not. Wait till you're older and you experience a plethora of more important things that you will then have to worry about.

That's not relevant though?

Whatever hardships he faces when he's older, he'll face them as an older (and hopefully wiser) adult. He's talking about the life of teenagers.

Is that true? And if so is it a relatively new thing (as in the last 15 year or less)? Because there are people I went to school with who are in the army and... well... let's just say I know for a fact that they didn't get good grades :umm2:. I know of a guy who drives tanks now and it's a thought that terrifies me to my very core, because based on school I think it'd be risky to put him on a moped.

It has been psychologically proven that conscripts make crappy soldiers in general, though, which is why modern armies just don't do it.

There's national service where I live, and its compulsory, I certainly had no interest in doing this at all, worst two years in my life.

So for the UK, hell no!

oh my god that’s terrible

did you get a choice as to what service you did (army, police etc)