They would have picked on someone else, it just might not have had racist overtones.

So now we are saying the new rules are Shilpa Shetty fault because she was bullied in the house by Gobby and her little dog bitches!

No Shilpa Shetty, No past Racial-furore

Take the "Race" word out of the equasion

Ofcom would not have had to bring this present investigation up right now, at the worst possible time too.

Jade Goody was accused of bullying on the original BB show, but then after, she went from strength to strength.

Like I say, take Shilpa Shetty out of the equasion and replace the problem, then arrive at the present day, it would have been different.





nodisharmony :angel:

So the whole affair had nothing to do with Goddy and her little dog bitches, they were just innocent victims?

Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd said words and comments that may be construed by some as containing possible racial overtones.

There is NO denying that part.

But, as there are camera's and microphones all over the BB house, then BB will be aware of everything that get said, agreed:thumbs:

If Endemol allow these words and comments to stay in, then it is natural that it is going to offend many people.

We all saw that, didn't we? agreed:thumbs:

If Endemol had decided to "edit out" every word & comment which may had been construed as racist, then, nobody would have complained and there would have been no investigation today.

Jade Goody's part in this, was obvious to see, agreed:thumbs:

But, as the person in question, "Shilpa Shetty" was an Indian woman, this made all the difference, as the "Race" card was played and once that happens, there will naturally be a problem.

All three of these girls have been accused of being racist people and that is incorrect.

Everything which was said in the BB house at that time, was just words and comments which have been construed as having possible racial overtones and that is it.

Just because of that, they are hated like mad and labelled as full-time racist people.

That is untrue and infact quite bad!






nodisharmony :angel:

So we agreed that;

1. Goddy and her little dog bitches insulted Shilpa Shetty

2. Endemol has camera's and microphones all over the house and heard every thing that Goddy and her little dog bitches said and did.

3. That Goddy and her little dog bitches said things that were going to offend people including who they were aimed at.

4. Endemol decided not to edit out what said and complaints followed.

5. Goddy and her little dog bitches are responsible for what they did and said.

6. If Shilpa Shetty hadn't been in the house then the comments made by Goddy and her little dog bitches might not have had racist overtones.

So this leaves us with the fact if they hadn't have said what they did we wouldn't need rules in the house to stop bullying and racist remarks being made.

Almost getting there:rolleyes:

That is Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd. (They have names) They insulted Shilpa Shetty as they did not click with her and Shilpa told Jade to "Shut Up" & "Get Elecution Lessons", I can add more:wink: I would say it is six of one and half a dozen of the other, actually:rolleyes: Whatever the reason, it takes two to tango, or in this situation, 4 to tango

We all know that part. BB knows and sees it all:bigsmile:

It was no big plan or anything premeditated you know:eureka: It just happened! But they were not aware that Shilpa Shetty would be such royalty, just because she is an Indian housemate. Jade Goody pointed that out, "She is just an ordinary housemate, just like everyone else", But that wasn't the case, was it. As the Newspapers so quaintly said, "She is better than british??", that will get many people's backs up, I'm sure:eureka:

That is indeed true. Not so wise, was it:rolleyes: Except for their bank balance, due to increased ratings

Not true!! The responsibility still lies with Endemol, as regards to the BB show, there is still no escaping that part. However, if Jade Goody said those comments in a night club and Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd and Jack Tweed were all together as a group, that would be totally different. BB is a controlled and heavily policed environment. This strong dislike between Shilpa and the girls should have been policed properly in CBB5, but it wasn't. But I have to agree, that what happens elsewhere, like the "Night Club" example I have just mentioned, is a completely different type of scenario and will also have a similar problem, but on a microscopic scale, even if it did end up in the Daily Star or something.

If Shilpa Shetty had not been there and it had been a white housemate who Jade, Jo & Danielle had not clicked with, there would have been no problem. It is always different when it is white against white, that is proven by past Big Brothers, Agreed:thumbs:

With your theory, then (Yes)

But, with everything which I have taken into account, "Facts", (that is)...It is not such a clear-cut situation, but if you choose not to see that, then I guess we shall just have to agree to differ on this situation, Agreed:thumbs:







nodisharmony :angel:

So we can also agree that Gobby and her little dog bitches comments bulling Shilpa Shetty was racially motivated as well.

The thing we are stuck on is that the Gobby and her little dog bitches, are as you say, not responsible fro what they said and did and in fact Endemol are the ones to blame allowing Gobby and her little dog bitches to be in the house together with Shilpa Shetty.

What we saw in the shown footage has been labeled as containing hints towards racism, that means (overtones) That is very easy to do and mistakes like that are more accidental and using descriptive-references of an (Indian person or similar) but nothing serious.

I think that second paragraph of yours is a fair assumption.






nodisharmony :angel:

So why should Gobby and her little dog bitches get away with what they said and how it might affect Big Brother 8?

I said:-

I think that second paragraph of yours is a fair assumption.

What that means, is, that "fair assumption" which is another way of saying, "Someones opinion", ie "your's"

I said that, as it is obvious to anyone in the world, looking at your posts within this thread, that you personally don't like all three of them one bit. So it is natural that we shall have to find a point where we cannot agree much further, right:thumbs:

That is why I made that comment:- "fair assumption", I think that is as close as we can get to agreeing on this, "full stop."
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Regarding your new points:-

Why should Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd get away with this?

Well, the simple answer is:- (They haven't)

None of them have got away with this. Throughout there lives, this will always haunt them in "one way shape or form", everywhere they go, everytime Jade, Jo or even Danielle Lloyd, people will remember and it shall be fearful for all of them and for a very long time.

That is as far as it will go, regarding "punishments", that is!

I certainly wouldn't like to be either of them right now.

It is a difficult life to lead. But they just have to get on with it and the many haters who want them to go through more problems, well, there is a few people:angel: who are trying very hard to hault this:wink:

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Your other point regarding Big Brother 8 and how it has affected the upcoming show, because of apologies to Ofcom & the New rule-book, well, that's a decision which had to be made in light of Ofcom's further findings and Channel 4 & Endemol who didn't do the correct thing at the right time.

We've been down that road already within this thread.

Accountability at the highest level, once again...








nodisharmony :angel:

But it's not is it.

If a member was found to be bullying another member by posting offensive and cruel remarks and was given a warning for insulting other members it wouldn't be the sites fault for hosting the comments or issuing the warning but their fault for saying what they did. The member who posted the remarks would have to take responsibility for acting and saying the things they did and serve the ban.

Now:

Gobby and her little dog bitches were found to be bullying another housemate by saying offensive and cruel remarks it isn't the fault of the Endemol for showing those comments even if they did make editorial mistakes but their own fault for saying them in the first place. Gobby and her little dog bitches have to take responsibility for acting and saying the things they did and face the music in the press.

For us this means lots of new rules are being put in place which could change the nature of the this years main Big Brother event. The new rules are a consequence of their actions and hence they must take some the blame if the show is not a success and it can be proved that the new rules did indeed spoil the show.

They can't let off hook by blaming everyone else for they did, they did it.

This is dangerous:puzzled:


It's far too unsafe to enter that domain of debating. I shall respecfully leave that deadly area of forum-politics to, " x "?

Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd said words and comments that Shilpa Shetty found offensive. Other Big Brother & CBB shows have also had offensive words aired on the show. "Pete Burns" & "George Galloway" did the same. But they were white on white.

If it wasn't the fault of Endemol showing those comments? Then, who was it the fault of, for showing them. Read carefully ( s h o w i n g t h e m ) Not saying them, Showing them. If they were not shown, we wouldn't have this problem. Nevermind what Jade, Jo or Danielle said. That is neither-here-nor-there. Remember, Jade told Shilpa Shetty that she was just an ordinary housemate, just like everyone else. Are you saying that Shilpa Shetty is more important than other Celebrity housemates in that house. Be careful with that reply? You could offend a lot more housemates from CBB5

As above & within thread...(No show of offensive words & comments) then (No offended viewers) Also, Jade Goody has behaved to housemates in this way before in two other shows previously. So, Endemol will be very aware of this. Don't forget the way they threw out her mother Jackiey. Some take issue with that too:mad:

They did & still do. Every article on whatever housemate or Endemol or BB8 always comes back to Jade & Jo & Danielle. This is very true

That is regrettable, very regrettable, but what can we do? It is now hind-sight and Endemol have only themselves to blame for creating this incident. Blame Jade, Jo & Danielle if it makes you or anyone else feel better

Like I said, it's regrettable and sometimes, consequences follow, because of actions taken in haste. Ofcom had to deal with this and did so.

I hate to say this, as it may hurt. But, I can imagine what is going through Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd's minds on your above comment. I would say, that they will be hoping that Big Brother 8 will be an ultimate disaster. I would rather it be a success myself and would prefer if the rules for the new show were not so stringent, as displayed in the New Rule book

[b]Like I said previously, Jade, Jo & Danielle have suffered and will continue to suffer, due to much hatred which still exists. But I will say, that Danielle Lloyd is having trouble with her love-life and is off footballers. So she has double the problem:wink:


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nodisharmony :angel:

There is no way this whole thing is going to work, there is going to be no arguements, no tension, its just going to be a bunch of people who are all goody goody two shoes, how dull will that be??

It might not come to that yet?

Let us enjoy launch night and just see how each day goes, bit by bit by bit. Nobody will really know, until we get to week two and beyond.

I hope Housemates stick together and fight together as a unit. When it comes to the Diary Room giving orders.





nodisharmony :angel:

yea but its allways nice to have a squabble amongst the housemates, surely you must agree

Leaving Endemol out of it who just showed us what went on.

Do you agree that if Gobby and her little bitch dogs hadn't said and did what they did then we wouldn't have the rules we have in place now?

I agree with you totally Lil-Lindz:sad:

I love a show with drama and exciting stuff and strong disagreements between housemates.

Nobody wants racism naturally, but arguing exists on soap operas like Eastenders & Emmerdale & Corrie.

All those shows are shown early and kids watch them too. Even situations where racism is shown too.

But Big Brother 8 is being shown much later with the 10pm slot, but it will be more tame than other programmes shown during the watershed.

Channel 4 & Endemol are making tidal wives here, which could ruin the show.






nodisharmony :angel:

Yea, hopefully all the stuff we are hearing about has been blown up by the media or its all false, BB isnt BB without the arguements and drama
The public are so stupid sometimes like they evict all the interesting housemates and then they go and make a big deal out of some petty arguement which is now going to change the whole show.
Sure i dont want racism, its horrible, but i dont want a house without the occasional arguement

For one reason, because Gobby and her little bitch dogs said and did what they did.

Exactly, BB producers are going to be too scared to let the housemates get on with it, at the slightest sign of tension it will be in the diaryroom and out
if it wasnt for the stupid idea of putting gobby back in then maybe just maybe we would be looking forward to some good arguements this year

I agree Gobby and the little dig bitches and their actions are potentially going to ruin or change the nature of the show we all love. :thumbs:

Yep and its makes me so angry :mad:

Me too, if only they could have behaved like decent people

If they had kept the race issue out of it may be OFCOM wouldn't have got so many complaints and we wouldn't be in this situation.

Ok im getting sick of 'Gobby and her little dog bitches' Red lol.
It was funny the first time:laugh:

You should have said something earlier and I would have come up with something else for to laugh at. :thumbs:

*goes off to put his thinking cap on*

You've lost me???? I saw it on the TV and?

It's like a dog with a bone:rolleyes::rolleyes:


Jade Goody & Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd did say what they said. But to be honest, It was televised and edited down to look worse than it is. Do you need further clarification from Jo O'Meara?

The last part is unsafe, like I said previously and hard when the level playingfield is unlevel:wink:




nodisharmony :angel:

So if they hadn't said what they said would we have the new rules?

If you think so:rolleyes:

My views are within the thread....





nodisharmony :angel:

Is that a yes then?

Lol, I Googled it earler and by now it probably fills the whole page. ! He He.


It's still an interesting debate though. I think Endemol and the girls are equally to blame.

If Pete Burns hadn't said what he said to Jodi Marsh, (made no difference)

If George Galloway hadn't said what he said to Michael Barrymore, (made no difference)

If Jade Goody hadn't said what she said to Rick Waller, (made no difference)

If Any white housemate said what they said to another white housemate in the past ever, (made no difference)


The best thing to do, is answer your own question with your own answer which you already know.

I don't get caught in traps, I just rise above them and proceed forward.

I hope the new housemates in Big Brother 8 understand the power they all have, if they unite together.

I have said this before and I shall say it again here:-

If a housemate in Big Brother 8 get's thrown out of the house over something trivial, then ALL LEAVE!!!!!!

Mutiny can beat the C**P out of this New Rule book!!!!!

I think positively, if I can.....






nodisharmony :angel:

Is that a yes then?

Imo both are to blame, BUT I think Ofcom wanted to do this for ages. They hate Big Brother and are trying to get it axed.

I think these scrict rules would have been applied even if the row hadnt happened.

Why?

Cos Ofcom hate BB dont they?
They want it to be axed.

Saying that its just Ofcoms fault. Its the girls and Endemol.

Cos Ofcom hate BB dont they?
They want it to be axed.

Saying that its just Ofcoms fault. Its the girls and Endemol.

But they had the chance last year with the Jodi Marsh bullying thing and they didn't.

Why do it now and not then?

You will have to meet some everyday people in the flesh to work that one out. That is where the word, "realists" comes into play. Jade Goody is a girl who is streetwise and you know Eastenders and what some of them soap characters are like. Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd are just like Jade Goody. Very decent people who speak their mind and that's that.

Well that is due to petty complainants who just like complaining and stuff. Ofcom have acted, because someone has informed them, that is better to get to the bottom of this.

Right now, they are looking at Channel 4 & Endemol????

But you say Jade, Jo & Danielle????

Lucky I read it right:rolleyes:






nodisharmony :angel:

But would people complained about the girls if the girls hadn't done what they did?

The three girls:- Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd went into the CBB house & were looking forward to a great, great show.

Jade Goody was very wealthy & did not need the money, but does enjoy doing these types of shows. When the opportunity came along and they invited her family & boyfriend too, she accepted the offer.

Danielle Lloyd was also offered the opportunity and is a stunning and beautiful young woman, who was & is in great demand as a model. But once again, she was happy to take the offer.

Jo O'Meara was in a little bit of trouble financially and decided to do the show, as she needed the money to keep her house payments up. She has said that herself. But she went for it and was very happy to see her friend Ian 'h' Watkins from Steps.

Suddenly, an Indian Bollywood actress entered the house and the three girls just did not like her. Not at all:yuk::yuk:

It was nothing to do with race or colour of skin. It was just a case of "not clicking".

The three girls said some words & comments which were construed to some as containing possible racial over-tones.

As Endemol chose to keep those words & comments in and they also chose to zone in on all of this material, it was made to look much worse than it was. This then, caused the racial furore.

Regardless of what was said, it was the way it was presented. The form of presentation.

What Ofcom is doing, is, teaching them a big lesson.

They have picked the closest possible time for the new upcoming BB8 show and making sure, that this show is going to be as un-profitable as ever.

It can be nice for some to try & work it all out, who is & isn't to blame.

But, I would look at Ofcom.

Look at who is apologising

Then draw your conclusions from facts and stop blaming Jade Goody, Jo O'Meara & Danielle Lloyd who were just housemates. Ordinary housemates, no more, or, no less than Shilpa Shetty herself.

An argument, is an argument.

Comments are Comments. If they contain possible racial overtones, then edit them out and point it out privately.

It is like a forum. When someone makes a mistake, a simple U2U explaining what that person as done, can be better than issuing a 24 hour ban, which to some, can be easier. It is about patience, knowledge & understanding.

Something I have:eureka:






nodisharmony :angel: