do these celebs not think before they tweet :rolleyes: twat

Abso - ****ing - lutely Bang On Again, T.S.

...it’s not really so much about a ‘standard’ TS...in terms of ‘sexual assault’ ...?...then that sexual assault would be something that someone would have to accuse someone of...which he obviously didn’t or I assume he didn’t...for me there are other aspects to it though, to what she did...he may in his shock for instance...and in her tweet she did say he had ‘freaked out’...have hurt the lady..?...or worse, he may have killed her in what he thought was a threat to his safety...it’s also not just a friendship as such between him...I don’t know what their ‘friend’ status is but she obviously has great trust in him as he’s her bodyguard...and that makes her his employer as well, which also makes me think about it differently...did she ‘abuse her power’ as his employer..?...there are things we may all feel that it’s ok for a friend to do as you say...we make our own boundaries there...but when friends aren’t ‘equal’ in terms of employer and employee...so one having ‘power’ of that being your employer and income etc...it puts a different slant on for me in my thoughts...

I can see where you're coming from with some of that Ammi, especially in regards to the safety of the person she hired, that may have been pretty reckless on her part. Their working relationship etc. is again in my opinion something that shouldn't be assumed; it MIGHT be a power discrepancy, but that can't necessarily be assumed, and again is really down to the individuals involved. If he doesn't feel at the mercy of a power discrepancy, and isn't adjusting or altering his behaviour or reaction based on a power discrepancy... then there is no meaningful power discrepancy. The assumption that there is one again seems like people saying "Well *I personally* think there is one or should be one and therefore there is one". No, none of anyone's business unless the person involved has a problem with it.

Also as a final thought... while I agree that there are other potential problems with her "prank" - it is specifically the "sexual assault" aspect that the Social Media Lynchmob has gotten hung up on with this one, and that is what she's being accused of.

In my opinion, there's something really quite sinister and potentially psychologically dangerous about insisting "You Were Sexually Assaulted!" to someone who in no way feels like they have been sexually assaulted.

...yeah I do see that there was a relationship within work which made her feel as though she could prank him in such a way...I understand that TS...but whatever the relationship/friendship etc was...it doesn’t change the fact that she’s essentially his employer so their not ‘equal status’ people, you know...as in using the comparison you did with regard to your friends and uni days...?...The was ‘equality’ there and with that it’s much easier to ‘make boundaries’..do you see...this is something quite different because no matter what the relationship, she had a position of power over him...I guess much like Rosanne’s Employers did over her...so there was backlash or repercussions ...that’s the power employers have...and in ‘freaking the heck out of him’ as she said, that was Demi’s power...it was quite poor judgement I feel in this particular thing, so much should have been considered in any potential ‘backlash’...potential outcome etc...


...:laugh:...your last bit...well, that’s what we do though, that’s what we all do....hmmm,....’that’s technically sexual abuse’, ‘harassment’, ‘bullying/targeting’ etc...we must all be quite sinister people I reckon...:laugh:...

...well especially on tweets in response to these kind of things...we never do it on TiBB, oh no....would we ever....nope...

Fall in Line demoted to buzz single :worry:

Like I Do is coming!

Very true. I don't like to assume to know a situation I am not party. I think some are quite risky, with their own safety for example, with how far they are willing to take a prank. As long as they own that much, it is really isn't my business. If they are sued b/c it goes bad, we live and learn.

People trying to insert themselves into other people's situations and trying to micro-manage that... just like I would tell someone to back off if they wanted me to do something that risked me or my well-being, I would tell that person to mind their own business... (but more often just ignore probably).

A lot of things in life involve some form of risk. Relationships especially, when they go bad can invite trouble... so I don't think creating drama is ideal.. but for some folk, that is the only way they can learn some important life skill, is through risk... not every relationship is how we think it is.. so I think better to stay out altogether.

Anyway this was recent but at my husbands work, one of the sargeants overheard a conversation between him, the staff and another female coworker... another male coworker had given her some gifts he had gotten for her when he was out of town. He inserted himself into the situation, asked if he needed to have a conversation with him... she said no, its fine. Anyway, later that sargeant pulled him aside in the office and told him that he had made another coworker uncomfortable, created a hostile environment, etc... put a lot of words in her mouth. He was very upset because he had didn't know what he did... was really nothing, she had to explain to him later that that wasn't really the case at all, he did nothing wrong. Anyway, created a very uncomfortable situation for all involved where otherwise there was none.

I'd agree if I thought all power relationships worked the same. That's not necessarily true that if someone is in a position over someone else, that it could lead to a hostile workplace... for example, an employer willing to come down to the level of your peers for example, to be "one of the group", that may very well instill a strong sense of comrade-ry (and taking one for the team), for example... like say that employer has to also defend silly remarks or actions made by those same employees in order to make long shifts or relatively difficult work tolerable... then relaxing some of those boundaries have huge benefits... also it builds character, as they can relate on a personal level and humor helps with this tremendously... they may better be able to explain that to upper mgmt their quirks of their teammates... and would probably have an easier time correcting their behavior when they need to re-explain or correct on lines crossed. Actually, if done right, corrections are much easier when you "get" where each person is coming from... rather than strict and professional, 24/7.

Or the field or organization setup may not be your typical. For example, employees for a radio show or a group of comedians who frequently employ humor as part of their daily write-ups... who need to be "on point" when the moment arrives to deliver on those more uniquely expressive charismatic traits... if the boss were too stiff, then they may be too uncomfortable with going outside the box... kind of like if Bill Gates ran a comedy club... it would be very awkward.

Another situation, if that job was a hospital ward. Sometimes pranks help to break up the seriousness of those atmospheres... especially if it's triage. Of course, those people are heavily trained in sensitivity training... so they would better know the lines not to push... in my husband's job, which at times is similar to triage at times (similar, not really one in the same)... there's a lot of dark humor that comes with that work. But it's part of the job... other times, they're expected to be on the straight and narrow, and with all the trauma in those environments and the situations they are exposed to, little gestures or breaks in the seriousness of that environment are a real Godsend... especially if it's an inside joke, one that only your peers would know and get... might be the reason why some people can go further with their jokes as they understand that boundary in a mutual way... and so on.

I don't like black humor and I can see where that might freak someone out... but I totally get it when you're confronted with life & death situations on a daily basis... it's part of the job.

Anyway, we need a Freedom to laugh and not take ourselves so seriously amendment to the constitution... society needs more humor, not less.

...that’s not really relevant to what I said though, Maru...(..sorry...)...in that she does have a status as his employer, regardless of their friendship...and an employers role does bring ‘power’....she referred to him in her tweet as an employee as well, as her bodyguard...and she also said that ‘he freaked out’...so the ‘prank’ wasn’t something he recognised immediately...the prank involved having someone trespass on and invade his personal space and also have someone, a stranger personally touch him...something most people would absolutely see as a personal threat at the time...with that...?...regardless of their friendship...Demi did leave herself open to a (..possible and potential..)...accusation of sexual abuse in this instance...her ‘prank’ left her vulnerable to that...(...obviously their friendship prevented from those accusations being made but it still doesn’t change that fact...)...and also other charges potentially that would have been beyond the control of Demi or her bodyguard...if he had ‘defended’ his perceived threat and invading and trespassing of his private hotel room by hurting the lady in some way...or possible killing her as the worst case, type thing...because as a bodyguard he presumably would have a weapon....so yeah, very misguided and very silly in its ‘prank’ value...which doesn’t really have any bearing on ‘humour’....


....I guess I could have just said...yeah mess..:laugh:...because it was a mess of a prank...compared to any equivalent that has been mentioned...so many things to consider with this which aren’t applicable elsewhere...