Oh glob off

Whoever said 5000 years ago? There is physical proof for the existence of Egyptians in 3000 BC and Scientists believe humans evolved into our current form at least 100,000 years ago..

If the first people were not man and woman how would life continue?

I dont quite get your point, even if it were men and women first, what does that prove and why case closed?

Leviticus 20:13

"If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them."

The Old Testament is explicitly anti-homosexual and anyone who is claiming to be able to interpret it differently is simply lying to themselves. However (for Christians) the New Testament supposedly "overrules" the Old Testament.

The New Testament explicitly describes homosexual relations as a sin but doesn't suggest that people should judge or punish based on those sins, rather that we should all accept each other regardless of sin (because literally everyone has varying degrees of sin) and that acceptance into heaven depends solely on repenting for those sins (which can actually be done at the pearly gates after death.. you can basically live how you want).

Sooo... I guess it depends on how people feel about the proposition that being gay in life is fine, and should be accepted, but is nonetheless sinful and will eventually need to be apologised for.

Hmmm... you use Adam and Eve as an analogy and then need creationism spelled out for you. I feel embarrassed for you.

These are words that have been translated from words supposedly spoken to Moses which he repeated to the Israelites. It was spread by word of mouth and wasn't written down for aaaaaages. Then it's been translated time after time.

The only words God gave to Moses that were written on tablets of stone were the commandments, and again... gays don't get a mention.

As Livia so rightfully says; some of what is written in the Judeo Christian bible is man's authorship but the 10 commandments are the direct words of God, and NOWHERE in those commandments does God even mention Homosexuality let alone condemn or castigate it.

(Incidentally, God's Commandments are irrefutably THE greatest and wisest lifestyle guide ever presented to mankind.)

Oops - you posted this while I was typing my now redundant post. :laugh:

I thought it was widely held Christian belief that the bible (all of it in order to be officially included), and all official translations, are guided by the hand of God and therefore infallible? :suspect:

I mean otherwise... you have to take THE ENTIRE BOOK with a pinch of salt, because anyone could have stuck whatever they wanted in there, and there's no way to know which parts are right :think:. I mean even the commandments... it's written that they're the direct word of God... but if it's being argued that "flawed men" made up other parts of the bible, it has to be accepted that some bloke could just have made up that part too. Surely?

And i bet all the angels do each other
I know they're meant to be asexual, but cmon they're as camp as Christmas

I like the idea of angels, but I prefer the angels in His Dark Materials trilogy...

Not ALL Christians or Jews believe that, T.S. In much the same way that not all Muslims believe that the Quran is 100% the word of Allah.

Only extremists and fundamentalists in the above religions believe that.

As for the emboldened, that's where the discerning utilise a combination of intellect, wisdom, and Faith.

A logical extension of your premise, of course, would be that we should totally disregard ANY book which is found to contain erroneous information; History textbooks which state that Henrik Schleeman excavated Troy - he located the site of ancient Troy but actually virtually destroyed the city by excavating through it to many levels below it.

Or how about disregarding all the information in Science textbooks which might still have now-disproven articles on Static Universe or Cold Fusion?

Surely the point stands though... That if we only know about the commandments from religious texts, but religious texts are fallible and open to being altered or corrupted either initially or during translation, how can anyone be sure that even those are correct?

I mean, maybe there were originally only 8 commandments but then the guy who was writing it walked in on his missus shaking the headboard with the bloke next door, so he was like "OI! What is this? Where's my pen? Hmph. NO ADULTERY. NO TO BANGING YOUR NEIGHBOURS WIFE. THAT MEANS YOU, BOB!" and so now there's 10.

That would make 9 [emoji12]

"Thou shalt not commit adultery" and "Thou shalt not covet thy neighbour's wife" are two separate commandments :nono:. (He was REALLY mad about it)

[emoji23] the first 4 are basically the same as well actually

So basically there are two commandments

1) There's only one, awesome God and don't forget it.

2) Get off my missus, Bob!

Bloody Bob [emoji34]

So this discussion descended into a piss-take like the topic of religion always does.

Nah, not 'religion' just Judaism and Christianity. I've never witnessed anything similar on the Quran or Islam on here.

Not that it bothers me though, Liv because I KNOW what I know, and am very comfortable in my faith.