Originally Posted by Lostie! (Post 10254393)

I always knew Neville Longbottom was racist.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10254382)

This is what BUGS me about stuff like this.

EVERYTHING must be EVERYTHING and do ANYTHING for EVERYONE at ALL TIMES or you're an ism or a phobe. :laugh2:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10254402)

Why are you being so racist about oppressed people Marsh? White. Male. Asexual. TiBB Most Loved winner. You have it all and you think you can talk about oppression?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10254373)

Straight cis white?

The most bullsh*t is coming from people who think every story/series/franchise must have a representative for every bloody person on the planet, which is impossible. No matter what diverse group of people JK chose to write about there would be someone somewhere criticising her for leaving them out, so I guess unless writers can include everyone they should just stop writing.

FYI, you're taking the HIV comparison far too literally. The only comparison that was made was that the blood disease suffered in the universe of the stories creates a stigma around wizards in a similar way to what HIV/AIDs does/did to a person in the real world. And that comparison was first made a long time ago.
To take that and say "Oooh, she's calling AIDS sufferers werewolves" is ridiculous hysteria on your part.

Like the comparisons always drawn between Voldemort and his hatred of Muggles with that of Hitler and the Jews have been around since the books were first released. She's not making a literal comparison.

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 10254409)

My point isn't so much "Rowling is a homophobe bc she compared being a werewolf to being gay," it's more that "Rowling's constant attempts to keep HP in the spotlight through absurd retconning is kinda really stupid and often times not a good look." Like the idea that she was holding onto this information for 20 years ago how Nagini *really* was an Asian woman all along is laughably absurd. Like I can't wait until there's a Pottermore update in 2021 where we learn that Viktor Krum sat down for the Bulgarian national anthem at the Quidditch World Cup.

Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 10254410)

it’s a complex story.

Originally Posted by Glenn. (Post 10254410)

Do I believe JK knew this about Nagini from the beginning? Yes. She is and was absurdly thorough when planning this story. You would have to be, as it’s a complex story.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10254414)

Is it? I won't argue that Rowling's world-building is exceptional. Her writing (especially dialogue) technically isn't "amazing", but the universe she's crafted is... however, the story itself is a relatively simple one?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10254433)

Also, if I hear the word "woke" one more time.

People are so self involved these days.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10254377)

I've had to switch off with the bullsh*t comments about Dumbledore at the beginning.

His relationship with Grinelwald isn't addressed in the new movie, because they don't actually share any scenes and their relationship isn't the focal point of the story. BUT it will be in a future instalment. This is only part 2 of a 5 part franchise.

But, hey, don't let that get in the way of people making ridiculously hysterical youtube videos.

Also, "You can have people of colour as villains but you should have people of colour as good people too!" Erm, there are at least two POC protagonists too.

Edit - Also, why is this white woman getting defensive on behalf of Asians?

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10254413)

What's laughably absurd about the Nagini twist? Whether she did think of it 20 years ago or not it's hardly like saying Harry was a young version of Dumbledore all along and radically changes the entire plot. In fact, it changes very little of the plot. Or is it laughably absurd because it's a woman becoming a snake? In which case.... erm, it's Harry Potter. Professor McGonagall turns into a cat. Fantasy fiction tends to be outlandish. :shrug:

Originally Posted by Macie Lightfoot (Post 10254449)

It's absurd because it sounds like a parody of a Rowling retcon more than anything, and once again it just reeks of her casting a person of color into a largely meaningless role just so she can say there's representation. Like, I think the idea that "An Asian woman is a submissive servant to a supervillain, THAT'S RACIST," whether you think it's right or wrong, it's a gross oversimplification of what the real issue is with Rowling's new age antics. It's more that she's acting like the entire culture of the world can bend itself to her storytelling needs. And, like, I'm saying this as someone who is still a fan of the Potterverse when all is said and done, but it's getting to the point now where I have to treat it with the same sort of mockery and irony that's usually reserved for bull**** like Twilight.

Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10254468)

If anything, Nagini was the only thing Voldemort ever showed any affection for.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10257213)

Yeah, the only time Voldemort was ever even close to happy was when he was stroking his snake or violently flicking his wand.

Originally Posted by JoshBB (Post 10257713)

I can't help but feel like the progressive left has a real issue at the moment. Constantly bashing and vilifying socially-conscious people with minor flaws/inconsistencies in their thinking, when there are literal Nazis and people with extreme views who are just ignored

Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10257733)

Yeah it's like how some "feminists" ignore islamic oppression of women but moan on about how men's legs are positioned on public transport and other nonissues.