One of the patients, oh right I thought there was a whole tranche of people lying in their own piss

I do understand where you are coming from, but even if you just decide one day to be trans it’s not a golden ticket to wealth and happiness.

People do abuse the system, we all know that, but we must not let genuine people suffer abuse and discrimination.

Honestly hospital wards wouldn't be such a big issue for me, there would be male visitors coming in and out all day anyway, I've been in short term wards (where you're released that day after a procedure/op). But I could see for elderly people who may be in there for longer periods why they'd rather not be in mixed words, for the sake of modesty. Changing rooms and prisons should not be mixed though imo

Womens hostels are categorised into areas like 16-25's, d&a dependency, domestic violence etc, I used to supply staff to these types of social housing, so your question is flawed. I'm not commenting on the debate, as I'm not 100% sure on my own opinions with this issue, but just adding a bit of info regarding this specific question.

Its so wrong ,needs stopping NOW !!

Now you are just being petty, you yourself said you have seen someone ringing the buzzer and it taking 20 mins for someone to come.

I don’t work in a hospital but over time visiting friends and family you see things happening.

But instead we put women at risk so genuine Self IDing trans people don't suffer? (mostly talking prisons etc here) It's saying that trans rights trump womens safety. Prisons and Changing rooms aren't seperated by gender, they're seperated by sex for fairly obvious reasons so if a trans person hasn't had the OP, for the safety of female inmates they shouldn't be put in womens prisons

It’s a nice try from you to muddy the water, common sense would say that it’s not essential for that person to stay in a woman’s hostel and appreciate accommodation and safe guards would be put in place

The op is about trans on hospital wards prison is a different issue, pre op trans should not be put on women’s wings nor should they be put on men’s wings.

Anybody can be a danger to anyone. All this fear mongering about trans-patients is so backwards.

Nothing more to say than this really. If I read a stance on trans issues on TiBB that I haven't seen before in 5 other threads I'll be utterly flabberghasted. Substitute "women's wards" in the title for "prisons", "women's shelters" or "bathrooms" and you can read everyone's response to this thread.

Mental illness ward is where they should be.

Here in Canada there are no Male and Female wards. Wards are created based on the reason you are in. If it's heart health... you will be on a ward with men and woman. I've even seen men and woman in the same room :omgno:..... Maybe you all just need to get over the false notion that trans people are just trying to pull a fast one to get into the opposite sexes change rooms and hospital wards for a cheap thrill... and realize people are just people.

there you go women of tibb, marsh TS and withano say


"put up and shut up, this conversation is over"

:umm2:


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Well thank goodness for the three of them being the real voice of reason around here. I'd have any one of them defend my rights as a woman any day

Gloria calling it straight on Loose Women

https://www.thesun.co.uk/tvandshowbi...s-transgender/

I still don't see pre op female to male trans battering down the doors to get into male facilities so where is the equality?

I am not being petty, you keep bringing up aspects of care in hospitals as some sort of comparison, not me

My own kid is female to male trans... and we are just starting the process of undergoing those changes... and I know for a fact HE would want to start out and end up in a Male ward... (if Male wards are even necessary) because HE thinks, feels, and identifies as male. When you go into a hospital you get assigned a bed based on your recovery period... not based on your gender going in...so if location matters and he will need attention to his male physical body... then he needs to be where that can happen... not in labour, delivery, or hysterectomys.

Do you know this from personal experience or just assuming because their isn't a weekly outraged news article on the daily mail that it doesn't happen?

Regardless I'd say it's not really a fair comparison when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen.

The Veruca Salt generation

"Don't care how, I want it now"

"when female to male transitioning is a lot more accepted in society than male to female is. Of course more transwomen are seeking help than transmen."

do you know this from personal experience or what?

That's a funny way of saying "Stop demonising homosexuals and transsexuals as sexual deviants" but ok.

A trans woman who is admitted to hospital with a heart condition should be put on a mental illness ward?

Don't think you thought that one through did you?

A post like this makes this forum worth being
On,a real person with real experience of the subject being discussed.

They have changing rooms and modesty screens for a reason though?

I can't imagine elderly women all strip off happily in front of one another either? :laugh:

Which generation?

Probably not I suppose [emoji38]

well in Canada not the UK and not the NHS

so not really

And you aren't trans, female or affected by the topic of this debate but you started the thread.

Careful LT... letting your transphobia, homophobia and Xenophobia hang out all in one thread may leave you a little to exposed.

Hot, all that unwashed puss

And that's the end of discussion LT. You've been labelled with the phobias, so you lose.

Didn’t realise if you live in a different country it cancels out real life.

Hospital wards a bit different to prisons and hostels, how many opportunities would predatory traps have to abuse women in a hospital? Changes of clothes and intimate exams are always done behind the curtains anyway.

Of course I do!, it’s lack of care killing patients not trans patients.

I don’t think the average persons is going to be turned on by you taking a dump in a cardboard shaped hat behind the curtain let alone a trans one.

This issue won't arise for your child, as there are already mixed wards in your hospitals. In the UK you can if you want choose to see either a male or female GP for instance, and most wards are single sex. As I have said umpteem times its self identification that I have an issue with as it open to abuse. If the person is transitioning or has transitioned I have no issue

As I previously said that has to do with staffing, or people not doing their jobs properly it has nothing to do with the issue being discussed

a cursory glance at the OP is your friend

The problem with gender is that people are trying to make it out to be this unknowable and unclassifiable thing and it's just not feasible in situations like this. I think if you have transitioned or have already begun that journey than you should be allowed on your preferred gender's ward but somebody identifying as the other gender isn't enough to consider them that gender in situations like this.

It’s an example of how you are making out that you are at risk from a trans person being on a ward when in reality it’s lack of staff putting you at risk.