Which surely is why the parents concerns should be heard.

The Rape joke which she was crying about was also from years ago, but that didn't stop her.

So if parents wanted segregated classrooms for males and females should they get that as well? diversity and inclusion is part of the national curriculum, they are of course at liberty to take their children and home school them or put them in a muslim faith school if they wish

So can I just ask those who were angry at the rape joke by Carl Benjamin, are you also angry at the attempted murder joke by Jess Phillips? and if so, show me your outrage and if not, why the double standards?

It's ok thought isn't it Alf its only milkshake and eggs !!!! ahem

Gawd sake...all I got was 2 hours maths in the morning..some pe and English in the afternoon....it was the teacher who went the extra mile to teach us other things at the time when i went to primary school...heck he even managed to get hold of a tv camera to film us all asking questions in a political manner....the winner got to interview David steel the then leader of the lib Dems and our local mp on a tv programme down in London during our school trip....



Luckily I didn't win cause all that sounds like a rues to bum poor little Gill heard....the winner/loser.

Alf, there’s quite a difference between using the phrase “getting stabbed in the back” and saying that someone is “too ugly to rape.” You’re not that dense, you know fine that to “stab someone in the back” is a metaphorical term which means to betray someone.

I know, if you read my posts, I say that I know she wasn't being serious. The BBC and Jess Phillips also know Carl Benjamin wasn't being serious and just used it against him to smear him, because they have the power to.

Sad you go that far to excuse scum like him

I've been following him on YouTube since 2015, I know he isn't scum. I was able to come to that decision myself. My guess is you've never listened to him, and you're just happy to accept the version of him given to you by the mainstream media? You don't even have to research him yourself, they do it for you.

Do you know his ideas? and if not, why not? What's his policy on climate change, the NHS, free speech, immigration, political correctness, the economy, crime?

The rape joke saga is absolutely pathetic, the guy was running for election, the BBC had him on, they didn't ask him one question on his policies, but spent the entire interview trying to smear him for a joke, repeat, a joke.

Scum!!!

Her comments were made during an interview, she qualified with 'If I had to' clearly giving context to the metaphor and it must be stressed she was speaking metaphorically. I cant find the 2016 tweet from Benjamin but can you tell me if contextually he was trying to make a point or was it just a joke? He has also doubled down on his comment and I believe she hasn't so I'd argue there is little moral equivalency between the two. We all make dumb comments but admitting the comment was dumb is something some people just cant do.

Just looked this Carl Benjamin guy up and this is what I found out - he’s even more of a **** than I originally thought.

It was a joke calling Jess Phillips ugly. He said it because he believed she was laughing at male suicide and some other reasons. But he doesn't even need any reasons to tell a joke if he wants, he has the freedom to do so.

If he hadn't have decided to become a member of UKIP, this wouldn't even be an issue.

Jokes are not dumb comments, jokes are jokes. So there is absolutely no need to apologise to anyone.

Have you watched his BBC interview with Victoria Derbyshire?

It makes the channel 4s Newman, Peterson interview look good.

If you do watch it. Try and find the full version, because there are edited versions out there, although they still make Benjamin look sane and she a paid actress reading from script, without one bit of interest in what he's saying. It's a really great interview for Sargon, he makes her look foolish.

He has 2 YouTube channels, he makes videos daily, has done for a while now, you are free to listen to him for yourself and make up your own mind, all his videos are still there to view.

He's been debating the public in town centres for past couple weeks for his election rallies, they're all there to see on his channels, watch we he has to say from the horses mouth. You might not agree with him on everything, I don't agree with him on everything, but at least you'll have more understanding of who he is and what he believes, rather than just the summary from those opposed to him.

As a student of comedy you must admit rape jokes are still very taboo. The moment a comedian decides to joke about rape, no matter his political bias or history it will cause controversy. Some comedians successfully straddle the line of such taboo topics but surely you must admit he failed in this instance and his doubling down is simply crass and frankly arrogant. For me, its not simply about his right to tell a joke.

In light of this becoming a Ukip member just stinks. Whats he trying to prove? :shrug:

I'll take a look at that interview when I've got time but I'm no fan of Petersons either. Does Benjamin use the tried and tested technique of first making an outrageous claim, enjoying the outrage and absorbing the flames then retreating to a much more arguable position? They all do it Peterson, Shapiro, Sam Harris, even that twat Dave Rubin. They all dont have that much to say IMO

To be honest GiRTh, I'm gonna stop talking about him now in this thread, because this is now taking this thread off topic, (started by me, admittedly) but I may start a thread on him sometime in the future.

Is this the interview?

Yes, that's the interview. Not sure if this is an edited version or not. If Jimmy Carr, Ricky Gervais and Frankie Boyle are mentioned, then I think that is the full version.

Three minutes in and I'm cracking up. He's playing the victim. 'Its a joke about you'. I dont get it :conf:

I do agree though, her interview technique is terrible

Having said that the bit about 'there not being enough beer' would have been funny enough. :shrug:

He lost it when she started reading out the quotes from rape victims. Poor and exploitative interview technique. :bored:

At 8.23 he actually said people are being 'radicalised. :laugh:

Less than ten minutes in and I'm not impressed Alf. Does it get better?

He didn't lose anything, he got free publicity from the BBC, the majority of the country whether left or right are probably not the BBCs biggest fans right now, and he was giving it to them, which would have had people on his side. This was a major success for Benjamin.

10.56 'I want comedy to come back to this country' :umm2:

Strange take on it IMO

What's wrong with that statement?

Not impressed with him at all.

It was a horrible exploitative interview but he didn't come across at all impressive IMO and as for ideas? Dont make me larf. Playing the victim, making confusing statements, he looked lost for about 3-4 minutes when she was reading out the many quotes from sexual violence victims. He's right though, she cant speak for all those people but his lack of an answer was awful.

The free publicity will help but is this the best Ukip have got?

Is he the person to head the movement with his crass rape jokes? Comedy aint coming back if he's trumpeting the cause.

Strange take though due to the nature of the interview. She kept trying to shame him and I thought it was a strange thing to focus on given that.

By the way, that was an edited version, there was no mention of Gervais, Carr and Boyle. The full version see's Carl destroying her to silence.

Anyway GiRTh, let's let this thread get back on topic, because we'll end up getting deleted.

I appreciate that. I think she mentioned it right at the end. :thumbs:

I'll see if I can find the full version.

Agree. I hope they dont delete this though, its been a good exchange of opinions.

I've always liked exchanging opinions with you, you're a very reasonable and well mannered guy, I can definitely learn from you.

Cheers mate. :thumbs:

We disagree on just about every political topic but I think we always keep it clean and can take a bit of ribbing from each other. We can learn from each other :hug:

TiBB serious debates.... the way it should be.

Nah, we don't usually delete stuff like this, its only if it goes into (or starts with) bickering thats offtopic. I would think that even if this was deemed in the wrong place, the posts would be copied off to a new thread so it could be discussed properly in there. Not often at all we delete well thought out posts :)

Quite.

I wish more 'debates' were like that tbh. We can easily disagree, without insulting each other IMO.

What an utter mess that interview is. I think his "jokes" are insensitive and not acceptable - that shouldn't be hard to successfully argue - but this shambles makes it look impossible?? The attempt to address the issue here is painful to watch. The BBC really is verging on complete incompetence these days in my opinion, it's just two people talking over each other and the interviewer reading out A4 sheets of twitter comments like they mean anything at all when picked out with an agenda... it's just unreal. No attempt at all at ANY sort of dialogue. WHERE is the actual reasoned debate?

Also LOL at accusing journalists of 'coercive control' for reporting on stuff.

Total victim complex that dude has.