Tbf we don't know the full story here, she could have been accusing him of being unfaithful which is why she was on his laptop....she was screaming, not crying, he was shouting...so looks like 50/50 unless we are saying the man is always in the wrong in these situations, its not a good look for either of them and at a crucial time like this, Teresa May and Philip would never :hehe:

Honestly I think at this point I would rather Bojo as PM than Hunt...its between a rock and a hard place though

You dont like him then TS?:hee:

let's be fair, this is potentially the next PM, it is news

Yes but Police visited them
No Crime Committed.




It sounds worse than it is

we don't know if any crime was committed or not, just that the police saw no evidence of it and a story doesn't need to be a crime for it to be news

No one male or female who can't control their temper and aggression should even be being considered for the position of leader of an entire country, and as she isn't in the running to be prime minister, its not really relevant if it's 50/50 or not. Only his actions are relevant in the context of being appropriate for office. Someone who shouts and bawls at their partner and, from the sounds of it (banging noises followed by her suggesting that he doesn't care for anything because he's spoiled) likes to smash up inanimate objects in a temper tantrum is not suitable for prime minister. It's appalling that people think that kind of behaviour is OK in an adult... He's not a silly angry teenage boy, no matter how much he likes to act like one.

I don't really think its unreasonable that we would hold the potential future PM of the country to a higher standard that we would Bob next door tbh. I have seen this being explained as basically 'at least he is showing he is human, will be nice to have a 'normal' PM' as if..such rages are the only thing that make someone normal :umm2:

It just shows that people are willing to accept the lowest aspects of human behaviour, like outright unapologetic aggression, as normal. Like having a screeching argument with a partner is a desirable part of being a "normal relatable person".

Not saying that at all, we have a version given to us by the press and the neighbour, no crime was committed as far as we know? You can't really win can you, May was called the Maybot due to lack of emotion, its funny how the papers are immediately quoting gospel when its someone we dont like, so many people defended Abbott when she was clearly breaking the law and calling her human, are now wading in and saying Boris is a a wife beater basically, Im so sick of the whole he said, she said...people applauding politicians being covered in milkshakes because they dont agree with their politics, while lauding Abbott for breaking the law while being a serving MP, I have never voted Tory, I have voted Labour but won't now, I am politically in the wilderness so maybe it easier for me to see both sides, this territorial ..my party and its members can do no wrong is frankly laughable, do people actually believe what they post, I doubt it, just last week people were trying to spin that Melania was wearing Gucci to make a political point...lmfao.. Yes Boris should be be snowy white, but he is not, neither is Hunt, neither is Corbyn, neither is St Nicky ....sick of the lot of them and I will be spoiling my vote for the foreseeable I think

I think we're in a pretty dire situation if our criteria for leader of the nation is "he hasn't broken any laws per se".

We are having one or the other, like I said before its not exactly a great choice, I think my problem with your post was it was immediately the man who was the abuser, which taking away the people involved and based on the information we have is wrong, because it could have been either of them

Neighbours recording a domestic fight through the wall, and the Guardian buys it.

Who would be an MP, eh? People spy on people, record them through a wall and other people lap it up like the salacious gossip it is.

Somebody getting attacked next door.
No, I shouldn't call the police bc I'd be accused of salacious gossip :facepalm:

Got it in one Livia ,people thinking they know what happened ,they don't, but still condemn someone they don't like :laugh::laugh:

No one was attacked as far as we know, no need for the over dramatics

Attacked... lol... how these things get embellished.

Theres this unbelievable phenomenon best illustrated by Christian evangelicals voting an masse for con and adulterer trump in America where people put aside all values they cherish in hope of achieving their political ends.
Over here it seems to be going the same way. People abandoning any moral standards by which they normally judge others bc they want Brexit so much they'd let satan himself deliver it.
And they tie themselves in knots to justify it.
And so Johnson (judged as best able to deliver it) can do no wrong. It'll be always someone else's fault.

She shouted get off me and get out of my flat, repeatedly.
I guess she was being overly dramatic? Women eh, Kazanne:shrug:

Same as the milkshake throwers then, being justified in what they're doing.

And the Left's connections with terrorist groups... justified.

One side is no worse than the other here, despite all the bleating.

I never defended Corbyn's links. Tho I did laugh at milkshakes. Hardly the same

Are you then finally agreeing that Johnson's actions are inexcusable?

No, not the same at all.... one was an actual assault. The other is someone saying "get off me" through a wall. He could have been trying to hug her, but you seem to have anticipated the last page when most people are still on chapter 1. So as you say to so many people... you go on.

I don't know. All I've seen is something recorded through a wall by a neighbour and a few out of context phrases. I know as much as you about this... virtually nothing.

And get out of my flat was an invite to an outdoor bonk?

Ok

I'm still in the honeymoon period with my husband, But my first husband and I had some very lively rows and I'm sure I'm not alone. I'm also sure that my husband and I have lots of fights to look forward to. We all fight. We all say stupid stuff we don't mean, "I could kill you!" for instance. The difference is we don't have neighbours recording it through a wall.

Sorry Livia but while I agree that everyone argues (me and my wife have had some epics), and everyone says things they regret in arguments, I can quite confidently say that I never have and never would threaten to physically hurt or kill a partner and I'm very dubious that we should be accepting or normalizing that. Also violence (which includes throwing or smashing objects / punching walls etc.) should never be seen as a normal part of "just couples arguing".

Boris Johnson refuses to accept his girlfriend telling him “leave means leave” lel

This was late at night.
Loud enough to be heard next door.

It maybe can be questioned re the recording but had anything happened bad.
At least recorded was some build up to it.

If someone played noisy music, they'd get into bother.
I see no reason why loudly arguing couples shouldn't either.

To be told to tone it down at least.
If any children could hear people arguing, that's unacceptable.

All very well to argue but to have it spill over that others hear it or get woken by it.
That's unacceptable.

Highly ignorant of couples thinking that others need to have to hear their arguing too.
Especially around midnight to the early hours too.

I agree.

‘No is open to interpretation, sometimes no means yes and they just don’t know it’

Looks like where heading to another age of powerful men telling women what they actually mean and think, because women clearly don’t know what they’re saying

Is the recording of this available, has the Guardian released it, I would be interested to hear it

I can well believe you're feisty :)
And I agree with you re couples rowing.
She's still with him so they must have patched it up whatever it was.
But...
This guy deserves extra scrutiny. He is someone who's made a career of lying and manipulating. He was sacked twice for lying. He tried to hire someone to beat up his colleague.
And now he's about to become a PM. Enough is enough. As his girlfriend said he's spoilt and knows value of nothing. Time to take responsibility for his words and actions.

If this was Jeremy Corbyn or Diane Abbot, a lot of the people in this thread dismissing the story would be calling for their heads.

That being said, It's a difficult story to judge since we don't know the context without the recording. There's definitely troublesome aspects to the story though but I'm going to wait until the recording is available to form a real opinion on it. If it's as it's said in the article though, it paints a grim picture of him.

I dont think its fair to judge someones personal arguments when everyone has arguments in a relationship

That would be when they phoned the guardian.

No it's not right to judge others arguments, even moderately with raised voices.

However after midnight and being disturbed by others making any argument no longer then private but more public.
Then judgement and even concerns may happen.

However, no way should they have after calling the police contacted any press outlet.
That's very questionable and indefensible in my view.

When theresa May requested the last extension the EU granted it and requested that Britain made use of this time...But here we are! Who should have phoned the Police? Who spilled red wine on the sofa?Should he have left when his partner told him?


We all just want to move on.

So frustrating to hear folk tlk about this nosence and not about the no deal which is now a sureity

No as it may be illegal to play.

Why?

The guy recorded noises from within his own flat