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arista 25-10-2019 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10701090)
Looks like Labour will block the 12th of December date.

Arista will be fuming


We find out today
If Corbyn wants to Win the Election.

Kazanne 25-10-2019 08:37 AM

If Labour think the Tories are so bad for the country ,vote for that election and get Boris out !!!:hehe:

arista 25-10-2019 08:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kazanne (Post 10701139)
If Labour think the Tories are so bad for the country ,vote for that election and get Boris out !!!:hehe:


Yes Corbyn wants this Election
its those other weak Labour MP's
that do not want it.

arista 25-10-2019 08:47 AM




Well said Sajid.

arista 25-10-2019 08:51 AM



Bang On Right Robert Peston.

user104658 25-10-2019 09:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rob! (Post 10700794)
I don’t exactly see how a GE helps anybody but if there’s a chance of getting these morons out of power, I’m all for it.

The result in Westminster will be a harder Tory government with Brexit party support, almost without question. In Scotland I would expect the SNP to gain back several of the seats they lost in 2017.

Kizzy 25-10-2019 09:11 AM

All boris has to do is take no deal off the table and it will be fine to press ahead with the election, boris has a deal he is happy with parliament have passed it to the next stage too so what's the problem? Why would he need the no deal option?
Quite rightly mps don't trust him, and with good reason he's a proven liar.

user104658 25-10-2019 09:12 AM

HOWEVER - I don't disagree that parliament as it exists right now is completely non-functional. Completely ineffective.

arista 25-10-2019 09:40 AM

Owen Jones wants this Election
he say Labour can win.

Lastnights NewsnightHD

arista 25-10-2019 09:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10701152)
HOWEVER - I don't disagree that parliament as it exists right now is completely non-functional. Completely ineffective.



Yes you can Vote on Dec the 12th
you could fit it in.....................

arista 25-10-2019 09:43 AM

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arista 25-10-2019 09:44 AM

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Livia 25-10-2019 09:52 AM

Labour wouldn't dare....

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 10:16 AM


arista 25-10-2019 10:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Livia (Post 10701170)
Labour wouldn't dare....

The Leader wants it

Kizzy 25-10-2019 10:18 AM

Ah so that's the new ad campaign by dodgy and Co some will be spammed with on facebook thanks to even dodgier AI?
I can't see what's wrong with voting down a deal if it's bad personally. Since when did Labour MPs have to pander to boris?

arista 25-10-2019 10:25 AM

Corbyn Labour Leader
will agree to the Dec 12th Election
if Johnson stops No Deal
on Monday.


He was Live on ITV1HD this morning,

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/EHt54CfW...jpg&name=small

Livia 25-10-2019 10:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10701223)
Corbyn Labour Leader
will agree to the Dec 12th Election
if Johnson stops No Deal
on Monday.


He was Live on ITV1HD this morning,

Not likely though.

arista 25-10-2019 11:16 AM


smudgie 25-10-2019 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10701158)

This is the real reason Labour don’t want an election.
Tories will lose a fair few seats where they voted against their constituency wishes
, but labour will lose droves.:shrug:

bots 25-10-2019 12:00 PM

the EU are not going to give an extension date until next week, so there wont be any commitment to an election.

Also, if the EU don't give us the date requested then we have the right to contest it, so we could exit without a deal next week

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by smudgie (Post 10701272)
This is the real reason Labour don’t want an election.
Tories will lose a fair few seats where they voted against their constituency wishes
, but labour will lose droves.:shrug:

Labour have said they'll vote for a general election as soon as no deal is off the table. I'm not aiming this at you in particular, but I don't know how this continual pretence that labour is avoiding it continues to be repeated.

arista 25-10-2019 12:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10701274)
the EU are not going to give an extension date until next week, so there wont be any commitment to an election


Yes the EU
are Wrong

Just say Jan 31st 2020

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 12:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10701277)
Yes the EU
are Wrong

Just say Jan 31st 2020

The Eu have been remarkably patient and tolerant of us as half of the country ignorantly slanders them on a daily basis. They have their procedures to go through too.

bots 25-10-2019 12:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10701276)
Labour have said they'll vote for a general election as soon as no deal is off the table. I'm not aiming this at you in particular, but I don't know how this continual pretence that labour is avoiding it continues to be repeated.

the labour leadership is split on a GE. Corbyn wants it, but the rest don't because of the current polls. No idea why anyone is placing any faith in polls though because at this point literally anything could happen if there were an election.

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 12:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10701280)
the labour leadership is split on a GE. Corbyn wants it, but the rest don't because of the current polls. No idea why anyone is placing any faith in polls though because at this point literally anything could happen if there were an election.

The numbers are there as soon as no deal is off the table, but agree about the polls.

user104658 25-10-2019 12:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10701280)
the labour leadership is split on a GE. Corbyn wants it, but the rest don't because of the current polls. No idea why anyone is placing any faith in polls though because at this point literally anything could happen if there were an election.

Neh. Tory majority and Brexit party gains. Anything else is extremely improbable. :shrug:

smudgie 25-10-2019 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10701276)
Labour have said they'll vote for a general election as soon as no deal is off the table. I'm not aiming this at you in particular, but I don't know how this continual pretence that labour is avoiding it continues to be repeated.

I can see your point.
But if we have an election then Labour plus other remainers could form a coalition perhaps.:shrug:
Depending on if they get enough votes of course.
Something has to happen to sort this parliament out.

Withano 25-10-2019 12:38 PM

No party, including tories want the responsibility of Brexit in 1,5, or 10 years time.

Boris could have had his election months back if he made a simple promise but he’s Reyna be sneaky with it

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 01:15 PM

https://politics-punked.com/2019/10/...nny-foreigner/

https://politicspunkedcom.files.word...fect.png?w=840

By James Melville.

Where does all the hatred come from? Well, pop down to your local newsagents and you can buy some hatred on a daily basis.

Our tabloid media have for decades, focused their dog whistle xenophobic propaganda against the EU and immigrants. The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) has previously criticised certain British media outlets, particularly tabloid newspapers, for “offensive, discriminatory and provocative terminology” against immigrants.

Sadly, it appears that many people have lost sight of the root cause of who to blame for a decline in wages, public services and the standard of living. Millions of people have been manipulated by politicians and media into mistakenly believing that their loss of hope was somehow the fault of the EU and immigrants. These messages have been hammered home by right-wing media outlets for over 20 years. And sadly, it has worked. Millions of people think that because of foreign incomers or foreign interference, they and their country have lost control. They have been told to take back control. There has been a huge diffusion from the usual suspects in politics and media to demonise the likes of the EU and immigrants to deflect from the failures of government. It is psychological projection. It is a gigantic con-trick. And tragically, it has worked.

The fake news scaremongering stories about the EU and immigrants can be traced back to a certain scruffy, wild haired, blonde, ex-Etonian who became a chief architect of Brexit and who unfathomably became our current Prime Minister. Boris Johnson may have thrown his weight behind the Leave campaign prior to the EU referendum in 2016, but his contribution to Brexit goes back more than two decades ago.

As a correspondent in Brussels for The Daily Telegraph in the early 1990s, Boris Johnson was a pioneer in cultivating disingenuous eurosceptic stories. With little regard for the truth, he wrote about the ‘unelected bureaucrats in Brussels’ scheming up directives to impose standard condom sizes and regulations on bendy bananas. He literally invented euro-bashing fake news. He turned fake news against the EU into a dark art form that is now used on a daily basis by many of our tabloids.

The EU referendum campaign itself, was a constant drip-feed of anti-EU and anti-immigration stories that were disingenuous at best and downright lying at worst, such as £350 million for the NHS and millions of Turkish people arriving in the UK. Our tabloids constantly screamed about immigration, with at least 30 negative front-page splashes in The Daily Mail in the six months leading up to the EU referendum, and 15 in The Sun. This was the real Project Fear.

The Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express are united in their distrust and negativity towards the EU. To them, the EU exists to threaten the British way of life. Their messaging is a continued drip-feed of Britain as a plucky island nation separated physically and culturally from a ‘Johnny Foreigner’ Europe that threatens to dilute and destroy our proud traditions. For the tabloids, immigration and the opening up of our borders to Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians is simply a ruse designed by the EU to infiltrate and threaten British identity. This 20-year tabloid tactic of fear and loathing of foreigners is an appalling form of xenophobic propaganda that is based on lies, deceptions and playing upon misplaced identity insecurities. The messaging of Britain versus the outside world (in particular Europe); Britain standing alone; Britain having lost control of its borders; Britain winning wars in Europe – is an appalling con-trick designed to create xenophobic hatred and fear. It is gutter journalism of the lowest-common-denominator, where the perceived (but misplaced) fears about the loss of the nation’s independence and identity are projected onto blaming the EU and immigrants.

Britain should be looking outwards, but instead, certain sections of our media continually persist with trying to trap Britain into looking inwards. Until this cycle of fear is broken, Britain itself will remain broken and fearful.

arista 25-10-2019 01:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Withano (Post 10701297)
No party, including tories want the responsibility of Brexit in 1,5, or 10 years time.

Boris could have had his election months back if he made a simple promise but he’s Reyna be sneaky with it


We are where we are
This is a Election
not Brexit

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 01:25 PM


The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 01:30 PM


The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 01:34 PM


Twosugars 25-10-2019 01:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10701309)
https://politics-punked.com/2019/10/...nny-foreigner/

https://politicspunkedcom.files.word...fect.png?w=840

By James Melville.

Where does all the hatred come from? Well, pop down to your local newsagents and you can buy some hatred on a daily basis.

Our tabloid media have for decades, focused their dog whistle xenophobic propaganda against the EU and immigrants. The European Commission against Racism and Intolerance (ECRI) has previously criticised certain British media outlets, particularly tabloid newspapers, for “offensive, discriminatory and provocative terminology” against immigrants.

Sadly, it appears that many people have lost sight of the root cause of who to blame for a decline in wages, public services and the standard of living. Millions of people have been manipulated by politicians and media into mistakenly believing that their loss of hope was somehow the fault of the EU and immigrants. These messages have been hammered home by right-wing media outlets for over 20 years. And sadly, it has worked. Millions of people think that because of foreign incomers or foreign interference, they and their country have lost control. They have been told to take back control. There has been a huge diffusion from the usual suspects in politics and media to demonise the likes of the EU and immigrants to deflect from the failures of government. It is psychological projection. It is a gigantic con-trick. And tragically, it has worked.

The fake news scaremongering stories about the EU and immigrants can be traced back to a certain scruffy, wild haired, blonde, ex-Etonian who became a chief architect of Brexit and who unfathomably became our current Prime Minister. Boris Johnson may have thrown his weight behind the Leave campaign prior to the EU referendum in 2016, but his contribution to Brexit goes back more than two decades ago.

As a correspondent in Brussels for The Daily Telegraph in the early 1990s, Boris Johnson was a pioneer in cultivating disingenuous eurosceptic stories. With little regard for the truth, he wrote about the ‘unelected bureaucrats in Brussels’ scheming up directives to impose standard condom sizes and regulations on bendy bananas. He literally invented euro-bashing fake news. He turned fake news against the EU into a dark art form that is now used on a daily basis by many of our tabloids.

The EU referendum campaign itself, was a constant drip-feed of anti-EU and anti-immigration stories that were disingenuous at best and downright lying at worst, such as £350 million for the NHS and millions of Turkish people arriving in the UK. Our tabloids constantly screamed about immigration, with at least 30 negative front-page splashes in The Daily Mail in the six months leading up to the EU referendum, and 15 in The Sun. This was the real Project Fear.

The Sun, Daily Mail and Daily Express are united in their distrust and negativity towards the EU. To them, the EU exists to threaten the British way of life. Their messaging is a continued drip-feed of Britain as a plucky island nation separated physically and culturally from a ‘Johnny Foreigner’ Europe that threatens to dilute and destroy our proud traditions. For the tabloids, immigration and the opening up of our borders to Poles, Romanians and Bulgarians is simply a ruse designed by the EU to infiltrate and threaten British identity. This 20-year tabloid tactic of fear and loathing of foreigners is an appalling form of xenophobic propaganda that is based on lies, deceptions and playing upon misplaced identity insecurities. The messaging of Britain versus the outside world (in particular Europe); Britain standing alone; Britain having lost control of its borders; Britain winning wars in Europe – is an appalling con-trick designed to create xenophobic hatred and fear. It is gutter journalism of the lowest-common-denominator, where the perceived (but misplaced) fears about the loss of the nation’s independence and identity are projected onto blaming the EU and immigrants.

Britain should be looking outwards, but instead, certain sections of our media continually persist with trying to trap Britain into looking inwards. Until this cycle of fear is broken, Britain itself will remain broken and fearful.

Typical lie. Bc as it happened they integrated well and added another dimension to the already multicultural society. Not to mention excellent sausages in east European shops.

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Twosugars (Post 10701322)
Typical lie. Bc as it happened they integrated well and added another dimension to the already multicultural society. Not to mention excellent sausages in east European shops.

That's just what a freeloading pole would say :smug:

The Slim Reaper 25-10-2019 01:41 PM

One for Nicky


UserSince2005 25-10-2019 01:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10701326)
One for Nicky


How rude to draw Merkel so fat.

Twosugars 25-10-2019 02:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10701325)
That's just what a freeloading pole would say :smug:

:smug:

Tom4784 25-10-2019 02:20 PM

Until an extension has been written into law, there shouldn't be another election. It makes me suspicious that Boris is so insistent on an election though, Brexit Party will be draining the tories of a lot of votes to the point they probably won't even get the chance at a hung government. I suppose they might be hoping that the same happens to Labour and Lib Dems and that the tories will be able to snatch a coalition with another party again.

The only other thing that makes sense (but is also very unlikely) is that the Tories want to hand over the reigns to another party so that they get the brunt of the Brexit **** while the Tories recuperate and prepare for the next election. Brexit has laid waste to the Tories and it wouldn't be surprising if they're willing to lose to plan ahead.


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