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user104658 06-04-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10816831)
Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

Not very, it's an advisory position taken by trained medics (she is a doctor), most of the political messages have come directly from Wee Nic. She is/was a direct advisor to the first minister, though.

Having to replace the CMO in the middle of this is an absolute disaster to be honest, and is why she wasn't going to be fired, but the press heat has given no choice but resignation.

It should have been a grovelling apology now, and resignation when things have started to quieten down. Now they need to appoint a new CMO and that person has to take the time to get up to speed, and will still be lacking a lot of vital experience even when they are up to speed. It's going to slow things down and cause more confusion. Total mess. But people need their pound of flesh.

bots 06-04-2020 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10816831)
Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?

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Crimson Dynamo 06-04-2020 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Babayaro. (Post 10816670)
I don't know if I'm being naive, but whilst this is clearly hypocritical of her, I don't see the huge deal?

If she went there with just her family (who she lives with) then surely they are not putting anyone at risk?

She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

Crimson Dynamo 06-04-2020 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigs (Post 10816837)
A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.

Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the Scottish government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offence by the country s leading medical officer ffs

Oliver_W 06-04-2020 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10816839)

Does that advert run along? Down here there's one with a man I've not heard of which comes on nearly every break.

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10816838)
Not very, it's an advisory position taken by trained medics (she is a doctor), most of the political messages have come directly from Wee Nic. She is/was a direct advisor to the first minister, though.

Having to replace the CMO in the middle of this is an absolute disaster to be honest, and is why she wasn't going to be fired, but the press heat has given no choice but resignation.

It should have been a grovelling apology now, and resignation when things have started to quieten down. Now they need to appoint a new CMO and that person has to take the time to get up to speed, and will still be lacking a lot of vital experience even when they are up to speed. It's going to slow things down and cause more confusion. Total mess. But people need their pound of flesh.

I'm always against "trial by public", I too think it should have been abject apology.

user104658 06-04-2020 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10816840)
She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10816844)
Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the Scottish government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offence by the country s leading medical officer ffs

I don't disagree that her long-term viability for the position was trashed, but like I said the sensible option would have been to apologise now - do her job quietly for the time being - and then leave the role afterwards. Appointing a new CMO in the middle of a pandemic is a disaster.

Zizu 06-04-2020 01:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10816831)
Can someone from Scotland tell us how visible she's generally been in regards to telling people to stay in, etc?



They reported that she’d been on stage each day by the side of misery/guts Sturgeon.


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Zizu 06-04-2020 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jigs (Post 10816837)
A wrongdoing, sure, but this definitely DOES NOT warrant her losing her job. This was such a minor bending of the rules that I can't even believe it made the news to begin with. This is another typical witch hunt case where people project fake outrage in order to cause harm/comeuppance to someone else. Now she's been strong-armed into stepping down from a position she'll have worked her entire life for. A huge shame!

The people who were "outraged" will have forgotten about this in 5 minutes and moved on with their lives. Unfortunately, she'll have to face long term consequences as a result of this fleeting anger.



How is it a MINOR bending of the rules ?


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user104658 06-04-2020 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10816855)
They reported that she’d been on stage each day by the side of misery/guts Sturgeon.


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Excuse me Our Nic is a rough diamond.


Beso 25-05-2020 12:47 PM

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Originally Posted by hijaxers (Post 10815229)
Nicola sees fit to keep her ~ she may live to regret that decision .

What's she saying about this latest thing?

user104658 25-05-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10846529)
What's she saying about this latest thing?

Not that relevant as she didn't stay on, she resigned.

Beso 25-05-2020 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10846531)
Not that relevant as she didn't stay on, she resigned.

Nicolas resigned!!

Oliver_W 25-05-2020 05:52 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10846529)
What's she saying about this latest thing?

Cummings and Dr Calderwood aren't really comparable tbh. In either case we have to ask - where are they more useful? Resigning or keeping their post?

Calderwood would surely have been more useful if he kept her role, especially when there's a global pandemic; Cummings isn't so important.

The Slim Reaper 25-05-2020 06:01 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10816840)
She is coming from a city area to a small rural community, and her family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond recklass

This has aged well :joker:

The Slim Reaper 25-05-2020 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by bitontheslide (Post 10816261)
she has resigned now

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10816519)
Thats only Fair

Arista :joker:

user104658 25-05-2020 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10846866)
Cummings and Dr Calderwood aren't really comparable tbh. In either case we have to ask - where are they more useful? Resigning or keeping their post?



Calderwood would surely have been more useful if he kept her role, especially when there's a global pandemic; Cummings isn't so important.

That was my thinking at the time, but she did end up resigning regardless. Cummings on the other hand is going nowhere, despite his role being.......? Completely unknown tbqfh, suspicious, and sinister. A snake sat on Boris Johnson's shoulder hissing in his ear, with a completely undisclosed purpose, but we just have to accept it like it isn't right there in our faces. Really mad times.

AnnieK 25-05-2020 06:47 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10846890)
Arista :joker:

You forget though she was a Poxy Woman

Not needed in a mans world. Not good totty either

Life in the fast lane

arista 25-05-2020 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10846890)
Arista :joker:


You
can Not Compare
Hanky Panky

To making safe a Child

The Slim Reaper 25-05-2020 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by arista (Post 10846936)

You
can Not Compare
Hanky Panky

To making safe a Child

:joker:

The Slim Reaper 25-05-2020 06:51 PM

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Originally Posted by AnnieK (Post 10846934)
You forget though she was a Poxy Woman

Not needed in a mans world. Not good totty either

Life in the fast lane

I believe poxy and evil are the cut off points.

Oliver_W 26-05-2020 08:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10846907)
That was my thinking at the time, but she did end up resigning regardless. Cummings on the other hand is going nowhere, despite his role being.......? Completely unknown tbqfh, suspicious, and sinister. A snake sat on Boris Johnson's shoulder hissing in his ear, with a completely undisclosed purpose, but we just have to accept it like it isn't right there in our faces. Really mad times.

Cummings is obviously a "good" adviser, as I'm pretty sure he came up with the snappy slogans and whatnot ... but the next election is over four years away. He could easily be fired/resign now and slide back in later...


Frankly, principles and their hypocrisies aside I can't really blame Cummings or Calderwood for wanting to get away from the cities :joker: If someone I knew personally did it I'd say "ohhh you're not meant to do that!!" but I wouldn't really care.
edit: "not care" isn't really the right words,I don't want people bring city corona down here! But I'd understand. And avoid them.

But again, I don't know any government advisers or medics :joker:

user104658 26-05-2020 08:56 AM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10847116)

Frankly, principles and their hypocrisies aside I can't really blame Cummings or Calderwood for wanting to get away from the cities :joker: If someone I knew personally did it I'd say "ohhh you're not meant to do that!!" but I wouldn't really care.

If they were seemingly healthy, sure - Cummings had tested positive for Covid! There wasn't just a "risk" that he could spread it... he knew for a verified fact that he had it :umm2:.

Cherie 26-05-2020 08:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10847134)
If they were seemingly healthy, sure - Cummings had tested positive for Covid! There wasn't just a "risk" that he could spread it... he knew for a verified fact that he had it :umm2:.

He said yesterday neither he or his wife were tested, what he did know was Boris, Hancock, Whitty etc had it

user104658 26-05-2020 08:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 10847137)
He said yesterday neither he or his wife were tested, what he did know was Boris, Hancock, Whitty etc had it

But he travelled there to protect his son because of the worry they would both get ill, and wanted to test his eyesight because he thought it had been affected by Covid. :facepalm: he can't even get his own story to synch.

Marsh. 26-05-2020 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10815225)
sacking offense

end of

oh

Marsh. 26-05-2020 11:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Zizu (Post 10816857)
How is it a MINOR bending of the rules ?


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:joker:

user104658 26-05-2020 12:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Marsh. (Post 10847246)
oh

These are gems too, I hope Dom is listening to our most wise LT.

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10816840)
coming from a city area to a small rural community, with family, increasing infection risk there massively. It's beyond reckless

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet (Post 10816844)
Deliberate and calculated flouting of the rules twice set by the government in order to save lives.
Is not a minor offense ffs


Marsh. 26-05-2020 12:31 PM

:joker: Surely not ContraryTrumpet striking again.

The Slim Reaper 26-05-2020 12:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10847310)
These are gems too, I hope Dom is listening to our most wise LT.

The best bit is LT going back and changing the spelling of reckless in a cummings-esque fashion. I quoted his original post a few posts up.

user104658 26-05-2020 12:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The Slim Reaper (Post 10847317)
The best bit is LT going back and changing the spelling of reckless in a cummings-esque fashion. I quoted his original post a few posts up.

I moderated his posts for clarity and consistency.

The Slim Reaper 26-05-2020 12:57 PM

Apologies to LT, when soldier was the recklass one.

Tom4784 26-05-2020 08:43 PM

She should be sacked like Cummings should be sacked.

user104658 26-05-2020 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 10847616)
She should be sacked like Cummings should be sacked.

She apologised and resigned within two days.

Beso 26-05-2020 09:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10847648)
She apologised and resigned within two days.

Sturgeon stood on stage with her, backing her but backed down to public opinion and forced her to resign down to public opinion...


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

user104658 26-05-2020 09:42 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10847658)
Sturgeon stood on stage with her, backing her but backed down to public opinion and forced her to resign down to public opinion...


Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.

Beso 26-05-2020 09:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10847664)
They both admitted that what she had done was wrong and stupid and she apologised profusely - Sturgeon wanted her to stay on because we were in the midst of a pandemic and she felt that the disruption would be bad for the country.

I personally would NOT be calling for any resignations IF Cummings had just ****ing admitted that he was being a bit selfish and acted outside the rules, admitted that it was going directly against the government lockdown guidelines, and gave a genuine apology. I know that wouldn't be enough for a lot of people but for me, that would be it. A "meh, whatever" after that. But no it's been utterly ridiculous lie after lie, dumb fairytales about his eyesight that we're supposed to believe, and an attempt to rewrite history to say that the rules were never what we thought they were. That is the problem here. It's not that he went on a drive or toddled off out to a castle for his wife's birthday. It's that the elected government of this country is happy to treat their voters, and the whole public, like unfathomably gullible idiots. It's a lack of respect that's verging on contempt. It shows such a willingness to lie and twist things to suit themselves that every single citizen of this country should be worried about it.



Stripping all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.:shrug:

You've quoted st least 2 headlines.

Marsh. 26-05-2020 09:49 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10847668)
Strip all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.:shrug:

His outright lies are down to the press? No.

The press are many things, they are not responsible for Cumming's words and actions and even more not to blame for Boris Johnson's utter contempt for the people he is supposed to be serving.

user104658 26-05-2020 09:51 PM

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10847668)
Stripping all that back just tells me that this non entity of a story is down to the hungry press.:shrug:

You've quoted st least 2 headlines.

If I've quoted headlines it's coincidence; I don't read the papers (physical or online). Ever.

Oliver_W 26-05-2020 09:51 PM

I pretty much agree TS. Calderwood basically said "I did wrong, I'm sorry" and she should have been allowed to get on with her job.
If Cummings had even just said "lol you got me, peasants!" this would probably have dried up by now, it's not like anyone could think less of him! But it's just insulting that he's flinging these excuses out there.

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Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 10847658)
Thankfully boris has Britons best interests at heart.

How does Cummings staying on represent our interests?

user104658 26-05-2020 09:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 10847675)
How does Cummings staying on represent our interests?

I've seen some folks-in-politics suggest that Boris ... struggles to make decisions ... and quite often relies on Cummings to prompt him to do anything at all. Seems he wouldn't be able to pick out a tie without asking Dom whether it should be patterned or plain.


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