Originally Posted by Kate! (Post 10820944)

I never said that Arista. :oh: But this can't go on indefinitely. The onus is on the Gov to test like mad.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820950)

Of Course
that's why a Year is a good Start



The Government are not building extra Test labs
So Post them to Germany Roche

[Roche initiates global phase III study and
collects data on Actemra’s potential utility
in severe COVID-19 pneumonia patients]

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820950)

Of Course
that's why a Year is a good Start



The Government are not building extra Test labs
So Post them to Germany Roche Labs

[Roche initiates global phase III study and
collects data on Actemra’s potential utility
in severe COVID-19 pneumonia patients]

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10820954)

You clearly know nothing then Arista,if you think a year is great for the economy then you need to see a doctor

Originally Posted by Kate! (Post 10820953)

A year is far too long.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820947)

Not in England.





And Yes TS

more will sadly Die

as they can not get the Cancer Treatment.







Covid 19 is a Mega Killer in the World

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10820960)

The point is arista, if it goes on too long, more people will die of cancer (and other undiagnosed chronic conditions, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis etc.) than would die of Covid by starting to reduce lockdown measures after the peak.

They have to balance that out and I'm confident that they will.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10820960)

The point is arista, if it goes on too long, more people will die of cancer (and other undiagnosed chronic conditions, strokes, heart attacks, sepsis etc.) than would die of Covid by starting to reduce lockdown measures after the peak.

They have to balance that out and I'm confident that they will.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820955)

No I do not want that all.

But I can Survive a Depression

Originally Posted by Kate! (Post 10820965)

This.

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10820970)

That's selfish though isnt it? Just because you can survive it doesnt mean millions of others can

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820966)

Yes You Are Right

more Cancer people were all waiting to be saved

then Covid 19 changed their future.



They can not "balance it out"

I like your vision- but it is not our sad future

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10820933)

I've been trying to tell arista that these numbers don't mean that much unless you scale by population size since February. He's not listening, Livia :fist:.

Even comparing Spain to Italy for example, Spain was hit harder than it looks at first glance, as they have a population of 40m compared to Italy's 60m.

The US should be "expected" to be 5x Italy/UK because they have 5x the population (not 10x Smithy :nono:) but in part its like comparing apples to oranges... Some of the big, open states will be able to handle it much better because of "natural" social distancing (small population per square mile) whereas if you just take New York City as an example separate to the whole US, the figures are especially harsh. Nearly 6000 deaths in a population of 8 million. Although its a similar situation in London.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820973)

No I am stating I am

ready for much Worse.



Its important to get the Truth.

not some dream.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10820939)

So you want more Deaths?

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10820981)

So Covid deaths are all that matter, and other deaths aren't in the equation? :think: that's some strange logic arista. Thankfully the people making the decisions are likely to understand the real risks, and not take this "it doesn't matter how many die so long as fewer die of Covid" approach.

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10820985)

On the contrary arista... I believe it might be that you, personally, are more worried about getting Covid than you are about these other considerations and so it's you who is engaging in some "wishful thinking" that we'll all just stay locked away for a year.

Originally Posted by James (Post 10820992)

Here's an article about what the options are about ending or reducing the lockdown - 'Coronavirus lockdown: How can we lift restrictions?'

Click the link - https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-52183295

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier (Post 10821004)

Yes but it's not about suddenly lifting all restrictions. Social distancing will continue for a long time, large gatherings will be banned for a long time, supermarket restrictions (queueing, one way systems) will continue for a long time... Etc.

However some of the other big things - like non-emergency medical functions - will have to be recommenced long before a year. I'd also be very surprised if they keep schools completely closed for a year. Though they might do something like 3-day weeks, staggered classes for reduced class size, etc.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10821009)

Until a Safe Vaccine
appears - nothing can change
hence one year Lockdown.

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10821009)

Until a Safe Vaccine
appears - nothing can change
hence one year Lockdown.

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10821011)

It can change, there is a possibility of tracking healthy people and making those infecting stay in

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10821035)

At first I thought this was an amusing article..
https://www.theguardian.com/media/20...hs-nightingale

Then I thought, hang on where did the BBC get a working ventilator from and who sold it?

Originally Posted by arista (Post 10821040)

Kizzy BBC bought it years ago
well before a shortage

Originally Posted by Kizzy (Post 10821045)

When exactly?

Originally Posted by Brother Leon (Post 10821049)

We had weeks to see what was going on in China and then Italy in order to implement an immediate lockdown and financial package to ensure everyone would have no reason to panic, but instead we stood around scratching our arse until it was too late and just half hearted the way through it.

****ing heartbreaking seeing all these deaths and our healthcare heroes have to go through all this.

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10821052)

There was always going to be a massive number of deaths no matter what as the virus was in the UK already and had lots of carriers but the main aim was to keep the deaths down to the minimum as possible.

Originally Posted by Smithy (Post 10821068)

This is so ignorant and just WRONG, South Korea are a prime example of exactly how the issue should have been handled

Originally Posted by WickedSkengMan (Post 10821077)

South Korea have a total different healthcare system and their residents are brought up to follow the rules of the countryside its easier for theto maintain a lockdown or similar.

As we have found it's much harder in the UK and while most have said in not everyone has cared about the rules and continue to go out and infect