Boris doing a bad job equats to him being the spawn of satan..sturgeon doing an equally bad job equats to her being a fantastic leader..

Neither have led thier perspective countries well during this, yet one is saintly and one isnt..


Makes no sense to me...get the kids back off school cause the buses are a shambles and fast becoming death traps cause the kids just wont keep thier masks on and are mixing with many working adults in such confined spaces.

Scotland have tightened overall but have actually relaxed a little on kids under 12 - they can meet outdoors (with other kids under 12). I think under-18's are allowed to meet in groups of up to 6 without social distancing, too.

Apparently the "zero household mixing indoors" thing is quite important; the West of Scotland implemented it a few weeks ago and (apparently) it has had a notable effect on rising case numbers there. It applies to the whole of Scotland now.

Also can I just say why hasnt sexism in the house of commons not being a big thing at the moment. I was watching it yesterday, when the male mps asked their questions total silence in the room, when the women mps asked their questions a lot of mumbling seemed to be happening in the background I have seen this happen on many occasions now

Let's not fling all of the kids in the UK under the bus (excuse the pun) just because London is a rat warren; most places in the UK aren't an overcrowded mess so most kids don't have to go on public transport to get to school. Close London schools if you must :hee:.

Pretty standard stuff to be honest, same reasons women on Twitty get torn to shreds for expressing things that barely blip on the radar when men say them.

This is in rural essex.

But I mean its so obvious to see and hear its nasty

we have dedicated school buses here:shrug:

...this is so ‘politics’ and demonstrating of ‘Boris politics’ as well...get people to look at people and judge people...judge the younger, the older, the townies, the countryphiles, the neighbours, the bus travellers and etc and etc, etc.../...all distractions from facing the government and Boris square in the face...

Absolutely spot on Ammi.

Your inclusion of us living in, during and with this virus does indeed make us more than just sitting armchair critics.

How I envy those who have lost no one to this virus.
I hope that no one does.
That, once you realise a death ought not have happened, then another part of you is woken up.

Far from armchair critic you become an active critic and justifiably too.
No one should lose their lives before their time.
No matter how an unnecessary deaths occurs.

In this pandemic, with the chaos of protection equipment which caused the death of my friend who was a Nurse.

The not testing of hospital patients, being sent back to care homes who then infected others there.

You don't sit back in an armchair to criticise when that happens.
You want justice.
So you'll act because if you've lost people very close to you.
You owe that to them too, as well as others and yourselves.

Now there's voices who want all that brushed under the carpet.
Those actually responsible in part and in power too.

If people just take that, do nothing and then jump in with ignore armchair critics, people's hurts don't matter, deaths happen.
Don't just criticise the PM, he and his governmentt are doing their best.

Good lord, I'd hate to see his and their worst if this is his best

I also am going to add this.
Yes, like a broken record which I make no apology for.
Yet here he is, again, ignoring the vulnerable and elderly he shoved outside by removing all the help and aid of shielding.
FOR those who even STILL needed it and wanted it.
To save in effect a pittance.

Yet if they've no practical.help elsewhere, they HAVE to sustain themselves and seek all they need.
Out there where this virus is still around and again growing after his pushing as many people back into the community and towns as he could.

I could never admire anyone who played such dangerous games with those vulnerable and elderly as this PM has.
Yet all day yesterday, he offered those who still needed and if they actually wanted the official stamp of shielding, nothing.
He did and said nothing.

Being Mayor of London, is not being PM.
It's a different position altogether.
There are a lot of skills and qualities needed to be a PM of a whole Nation.
Johnson in my view has very few ,if any at all of them.

Divide and conquer, exactly.

but it is up to people to take individual responsibility for their actions, now all i see everywhere is ****ing government. The principles have not changed since March - social distance, wash your hands and don't have any unnecessary close contact outside your family circle. There is nothing confusing in this at all, and people saying it is confusing are only doing so because they don't like the restrictions or are just frustrated in general and want to complain. The government wouldn't need to enforce any restrictions at all if people just did what they were told to do

Then why are the local councils not running school busses? Last time I asked about this I was told that it was because it would be "impossible due to London traffic". Clearly that's not the case in rural Essex :nono:.

...otherwise known as the Brexit strategy, I think...

...nothing has changed since March and yet the government didn’t step into each phase...they ran and leapt with changes and yet nothing had changed...while many people cried noooooooooo, just slowly please, let’s see how this phase unfolds...they were running too quickly to pay any heed because they’d made their decisions based on ‘no change and nothing new to see here..’....

and they were right to open up quickly and take advantage of the summer where the spread of the virus was low .... If they hadn't done that our economy would have been completely down the pan

...it was and still is down the pan, I would say...

In London some of the public transport buses are for school kids only, one of the few things the Mayor has got right :smug:

Parmy told me that snot-nosed brats are sneezing all over little old ladies and TV repairmen :nono:.

yeah, but it was a short flush rather than a long one :laugh:

...the long and the short of the flush, it doesn’t really matter in the ‘grand scheme’ and in terms of the economy which was pretty much screwed in its destiny from when Ms COVID first visited ...but it very much does matter in terms of exposure and lives...nothing at all had changed and lives that will be lost now in the up and coming, may have been saved if Boris had realised the fundamental of...nothing at all had changed...

i fundamentally disagree with this. A tiny percentage of the population are vulnerable to covid. Efforts should be made to protect and shield them and let everyone else get on with normal life. You don't fix an issue with broad strokes. You zero in and take precise action to protect those vulnerable ... that is the most effective solution. That way, the effect on our economy would have been minimal

I think there are so many kids from the same area going to different schools, I have at least 12 kids on my bus who are travelling over 15 miles to get to thier school even though the bus passes 3 other schools on the way.

Most of them sitting with thier masks pulled down I may add.

...so either way../..both ways../...every which way, Boris did it wrong...from every angle../every aspect../...every personal perspective even ..of your fundamental thoughts, my fundamental thoughts and etc etc.../..thoughts...


...I’ll leave you to your day, bots...I think this is where I came in so a good place to leave for the moment.../...he could have made ‘much more right’ decisions...but he made ‘much more wrong’ ones and that’s all on him...

Ain't all these restrictions so the vulnerable dont have to self isolate while the rest of us get on with it..I'm sure boris made it very clear that locking away all the vulnerable is out of the question yesterday.

I dont really find the situation funny, I'm basically sharing a livingroom with 20 other families for 40 minutes a day on the bus. Then going in and out of 6 or 7 different homes during the day..surely that's not very safe.

Can't you work from home, If someone want's their telly fixed can't they bring it to you?

My plumber works from home. Absolute carnage when my shower stopped working last week.

Can you tell me just WHERE, even in these measures where he is protecting the vulnerable.

Millions are vulnerable to this virus as to underlying health conditions and age.

Just what did he announce for them yesterday to protect them.
You harp on dismissing this point all the time.
He isn't protecting or shielding the vulnerable.

He's taken away all he had in place.

Now you'll retort back with we are all responsible for ourselves and others likely.

What about those still now worried that shielding was ended.
How do you shield IF you have to go out, mixing with more and more people.

Where has he put any protection in place as you're saying above protection for the vulnerable should be..
Where has he put any protection to them, even for those who still wanted it and needed it.
He only just brushed aside the vulnerable and elderly in both the Commons and TV address.

Millions vulnerable are a tiny part of the population.
Really.
That sounds like a good line for Johnson to adopt himself actually.

.... and you are right Ammi.
I really have to leave this thread too.

Unbelievable is all I'll end with at what I read here.

No.

Hes protecting the vulnerables rights as human beings, by NOT locking them away..unfortunately hes relying on everyone else to help with that..and that's the stumbling block because most people dont give 2 ****s about anyone but themselves these days.

That's not true.. look at the last lock down, I had to work through it and on my way to and from work there was literally nobody anywhere. Leeds was a ghost town.

I dunno. That didn't last very long and it was mostly (in my opinion as a misanthrope) mostly because of the confusion and scare stories. Everywhere was abandonned because people were scared for themselves, not out of a desire to protect the vulnerable. As soon as people started getting comfortable with the idea that "Covid is out there" they started heading back out.

Didn't you have major issues (to put it mildly) about wearing masks?

On tibb I did yes...in real life I have always stuck to the guidelines.

I disagree for the majority It lasted as long as the advice lasted, as soon as measures were relaxed people felt it was OK to socialise again.

...I agree completely, Kizzy...my experience also in lockdown times was the very opposite of anything remotely in any way ‘self serving...’....

the first lockdown everyone was in shock and happy to do whatever anyone told them. The reasons for someone doing something don't matter if it achieves the required result.

For a million reasons lockdown is past its sell by date, another one wouldn't be anywhere near as effective as the first one.

...My own experiences and those experiences of others during lockdown times were not of ‘shock’ at all, everyone pretty much knew how their own job roles would enfold to incorporate the needs of others...many schools for instance, had begun their own care plan for essential worker and vulnerable children etc ...long before Boris and his government raised their voices at all in that direction...we knew what was happening, we anticipated ‘the result’ without anyone telling us...as...(...from my experience...)...did every other essential worker ...who never once had thought for themselves in terms of not being where they were in their workplace...no one was ‘happy to’...happy didn’t figure at all but essential very much did figure and essential applied to others and not to self...