Definitely part of the strategy I'd say, they probably knew he'd confide in him looking for comfort

...the letter she wrote to him was heartbreaking...and he effectively killed their son as well, Shanann so wanted him to have a son and I can’t imagine how confusing her life became in such a short time since she’d worn the ...oops we’ve done it again announcement t shirt...So, so unhappy and only wanting him to show her love again...:sad:...that’s why I feel that although it’s one of the most heartbreaking story I’ve ever known and so upsetting...she and the girls really deserved for their stories to be told like this, rather than just being a ‘news story’...

...yeah, I do think that his dad had been told of their suspicions and that he helped to get the confession...

Yeah it's awful. And what kind of a ****ed up world are we living in when her grieving family are being harrassed and people taking Chris" side, disgusting

...I haven’t read about the harassment yet....I will do, though...it’s just so difficult to get into the mindsets with stuff like that..that even if killing his wife was somehow defended...?..he killed those two girls with such coldness of looking right into their eyes while he took their lives away from them...

watching this with our supper at 8!

No Niamh...they cannot be used.
His arrogance...he must have thought their was a chance he would pass it. However guilty or innocent you should always have a solicitor. The police must have been punching the air...

A solicitor would have made sure he didn't do it i reckon but its a catch 22, if he'd got himself a solicitor he would have looked guilty as sin

...if anyone can bear to watch a full length documentary/movie on YouTube...I totally recommend this as well..it will break your heart but it’s also very
up-lifting...the very, very worst and the very, very best of people...it’s a few years since I watched but it’s a story that doesn’t really leave you easily...apparently Netflix did do their story about it also but that was a few years ago so I doubt that it would be showing on there now...

I watched this last night and didn’t know anything about the case prior and I was honestly in shock. I did not for one second think the husband could be involved. I was thinking up all these mysterious scenarios because I could not fathom how a man could murder his two daughters and wife out of the blue. This man is so sick and twisted and in my opinion he deserves to die. Anybody who can take the life of two children should not be allowed to live out the rest of their lives. It’s also very obvious that this was premeditated. I don’t believe his tears when he was asking himself why he couldn’t save his children. He knew he was going to murder them before she got back from her trip.

Whether you are innocent or not you should always have a Lawyer present. There are plenty of innocent people that go to prison for something they did not commit....its just commen sense :shrug:

Completely agree but I think it was down to his arrogance. They will have probably advised him to, most Americans would lawyer up quickly but he probably thought he could front it out.

Watched this last night but was aware of the case at the time. I'm curious as to what it was that made him switch? Because to me, it seemed like a single moment of madness and rage as the viewers were not informed of any past violent behaviours from him.

Obviously the worst part was the murders itself, but the fact he tried to frame his wife for killing her own daughters was totally evil and cowardly

...I didn’t feel as though it was rage..it felt extremely premeditated...he drove the girls out to the tanks to kill them with their mom’s dead body at their feet...that doesn’t sound like rage..

Yeah it sounds the opposite of rage really doesn't it? It almost sounds unemotional and cold which is far more scary and sinister

Okay reading back, I didn't word my post very well lol

I agree with you that the actual murders were premeditated but I wonder how/when he came to the decision to kill them?? What was the final straw for him, etc? Because in the FB videos he seemed like just a regular Dad and had no past history of violence, according to what we were shown.

Just shows that you never truly know someone

Yes Annie you are no doubt right.

It is really bizarre....he could have just left them...no one had to be killed :shrug:

Yeah, that's the scariest thing about it. Like I said before what would make a guy do what he did, all he had to do was say I'm leaving you and walk out the door, why would he kill them all? even if he really doesn't care about any of them, surely he'd realise the likelihood of getting caught, it's almost always the husband in cases like this so it must have crossed his mind that he would be looked at very carefully

We watched this on Friday and it made me saaad :(.

In terms of what made him do it, I have a STRONG suspicion that his girlfriend was lying when she said she had never indicated that him having a family was a problem. I don't think she was involved in any way, but I think he hid his circumstances from her for most of their relationship and then revealed that he actually wasn't separated etc. at the "weekend dinner" they had and she indicated that him having a family indeed was an issue and - for unfathomable reasons - that lead him down a path of "getting rid of the problem".

I might be totally wrong obviously but her reaction when they asked came off as defensive, understandably, as she would have been scared about being implicated more directly. So basically I don't at all think she said "get rid of your family" but perhaps did say that they couldn't be together because of his circumstances.

I just laughed at how the neighbour had him made in a second

Quite possibly which there's nothing wrong with either, it is a lot to take on, an ex and kids etc. No sane person is going to think "better not say that in case he decides to slaughter the whole family" though

My own armchair psychology as well is telling me that he's a guy who gets totally obsessed with people and will go to great lengths to get them and that will override anything else in his life. From the bits Shanann had said about how they got together it sounded like he had to really pursue her hard at the start and she resisted the relationship for a while. Kind of Joe from You vibes

It's just totally bizarre that he thought the only solution was to murder his entire family + unborn child :/

Instead of, say, get a divorce

Its about total control and completion id imagine

I agree with a previous post that mentioned how well made the documentary was. It was virtually all real life footage which was impressive.

most of the stuff was on youtube - i had watched most of it already. The TL had no clue about it so she was like F me this is mental:shocked:

Imagine what was going through his poor Father's head when he confessed to murder :(

Yes I agree I believe he had that spot picked out ages before he actually killed them. I don’t even trust his story I wouldn’t be surprised if there was no big altercation before he killed her

I honestly can’t get those little girls out of my mind.

Yeah I actually thought it was fake at first

I was reading a little more about this case and came across this article. I know the DM is not the most popular of sites but it is recorded in other papers but, this is the most detailed showing just how premeditated and horrific these crimes were

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.dai...ed-family.html

Those poor babies :sad:

I watched this last night, I remember the case, but didn’t follow it at the time

How dumb was he unenrolling the girls from school the morning he killed them and putting the house up for sale, I wondered why the police woman was so confident during the polygraph test, obviously they had that damning information

..l’m going to bring this forward because it’s such a recommended watch...it’s something that I watched several years ago and re-watched recently after American Murder...so far as premeditated/cold/evil etc ...it really is looking evil/‘the devil’ right in the face...but it’s also looking goodness and love in the face as well.../..heartbreakingly sad but uplifting...

This bit, ****ing hell what a monster, that was really difficult to read



And the way he refers to them as his babies and calls Celeste "CeCe" he doesn't have that right anymore

So ****ing weird.
Murder cannot be justified but I could come to some sense of killing your wife in a fit of rage, but to drive your kiddies in the back of the car for an hour and then murder them is just so ****ed up.
Steroids do weird things to the brain.

For me the most interesting part of the documentary was watching the footage of his initial reaction to her disappearance.

Yeah the neighbour had his number instantly :laugh:

How did he think he was going to sell the house while she was still a missing person?

He really came across as of very low intelligence

Killing them was all about releasing the assets which makes it even worse as that was going to take forever if they were never found

Yeah he was really stupid, firstly he was always going to be looked at most intensely by the Police because he's the husband, anyone who has ever watched TV or read a newspaper knows that, how did he think they wouldn't find out he'd un-rolled his daughter from school or tried to put the house on the market or that they wouldn't find out he'd been seeing someone else?

Also apparently there's inconsistencies with the girl friends story too, she says they'd only been seeing each other for a couple of months and that Chris was more into her than the other way round but apparently they found search history on her phone from a year previous googling both Chris and Shanann's names