Freedom of expression is not being able to be racist or support racism publicly and freely without consequence. Especially in someone else's space who do not tolerate it.

Sadly the Millwall fans are playing to a negative stereotype that's associated with their club.

And personally I don't get why people are so against not wanting to chant racist stuff at a player. Unless you're (not you specifically) are a racist.

Lots of people earn a lot of money, having money doesn't mean you can't express support..it isn't only poor people who get to show solidarity. Why the suggestion they throw money at an issue that is so mired in fundamental bias from the grass roots?
As in the actions of government, the media, the police.. there is discrimination from the top down, how can one guy throwing a couple of thousand quid address and tackle subjects like Windrush, stop and search, deaths in custody, demonisation... they can't, he'll be mocked as a virtue signaller or SJW and nothing will change.

Footballers are people first, just like the piss and shiz cleaners, they want change but they are not the change..That's why we have policy and law makers, that's their job.

I’d honestly ban the whole crowd for the rest of the season .


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That's a bit harsh to the Millwall fans that didn't boo.

Historically how has any marginalised group facilitated change?
They have galvanised, protested, petitioned or in other way's adopted symbols of solidarity.

For me these have meaning, they are a precursor to real change and most progressive policies and systems of rights
we have today initially involved groups who garnered public support with chants and mantras.

So personally I think it's great to see higher profile people sending out this kind of message, they have a greater reach and fan base to raise awareness, this in turn puts pressure on the powers that be to address the status quo.

I agree that those booing aren't too bothered about the method shown here, as you say they just don't want to see support for this cause. We could suggest reasons why... but that would be speculation of course.

They’ve tolerated all kinds of nonsense/abuse from their fellow fans for over 20 years.. maybe it’s time they did something about the problem themselves..

Presumably the ‘bad uns’ all have family , friends or work colleagues who go to the games and never cause any problems


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It's a shame there's not an organisation other than BLM for celebs to get behind. When they trigger violent riots after a black guy was shot for running at the cops with a knife, it's clear they just want an excuse to riot.

“The players have come out and said they don’t support the political aspect, but they do support the anti-discrimination aspect of it … The club does an enormous amount of work on anti-racism.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...d-says-eustice

Milwall supporters are a bunch of racist violent scum anyway. I don't even follow football but that club's reputation is just that gross.

So basically, a bunch of racist snowflakes got upset over people kneeling, okay.

I've said a piece on this incident earlier.
With so few there, it should be easy to identify the ones who booed.
Then just bar them coming again if they are going to act so disrespectfully.

It must be easy to find out who did at this time.

As to your post above Marsh, I agree 100% to what you've said.

Spot on, Joey.

The Karen energy in this tweet is far too much.

Imagine being so opposed to racial equality.

Brought to you by the anti-snowflake, free speech, Galahad coalition who spend half their time moaning about those things, and the other half acting like snowflakes and trying to censor the free speech of others.

https://media4.giphy.com/media/B1SGR...wzrr/giphy.gif

Sure
I can see your view on Martin.

can we just stick to one topic of discussion rather than turn this into another snowball of "grrrr!!! BLM!!!!" ire? especially when the OP is about a gesture displayed by Kick It Out and No Room For Racism, and originally comes from Colin Kaepernick - independently of BLM?

Because the whole conversation is just muddled and nobody who's criticising the kneel seems to know who tf they're even criticising. Unless it's all anti-racist organisations, in which case... they're probably racist :unsure:

No
BLM Political is Trouble.

That's fair - I said I wanted to hear voices which aren't BLM, and that's what those guys are :)

As Shaun rightly points out, the 'kick it out' campaign was formed in 1993. However somehow it is now linked to BLM. :conf:

It seems like any anti -racism organisation can now be linked to BLM who many claim to be a violent organisation. Job done, the narrative has been changed. :thumbs:

Millwall have always had a negative stereotype attached to them and I think it’s a great shame to those fans who are more respectful and were just happy to support their team from the stands again rather than a TV screen.

My 3 friends who attended yesterdays game definitely ain't violent or racist.:shrug:

watch to the end.

kick the ball or **** off you brain dead imbeciles

Simple as that eh?

With so many black players in the league if they all f&&k off then there wont be much of a league left but if you think thats a solution then good on you. :thumbs:

I disagree with you a bit here Dezzy I’ll be honest. All football clubs have their fair share of fans who are pretty awful and unpleasant and Millwall admittedly in the past have shown to have a wider portion of fans that fall into this category than some other clubs. I agree where you say that Millwall have a poor reputation but it doesn’t represent the whole fan base.

There are fans of Millwall who support the club, that are very respectful and don’t share the same views as those booing before yesterday’s game and don't follow and agree with the hooliganism that’s attached to the club so I think it’s unfair to tarnish those fans with that brush. Those people just want to support their club and enjoy watching a game of football.

Can you explain how the term 'brain dead' is applicable in this instance? ...
I'm going to presume you can't but have a go anyway.

I wouldn't read into it. I think it's just how people who are raised from the nip on American reality TV and giphy speak.

I appreciate what you're trying to say but arent you shocked and stunned that such a small sample of Millwall fans still contained this element. To the best of my knowledge this didnt happen at any other ground. I think its difficult to defend Millwall fans over this instance.

Oh yes definitely GiRTh, it’s such a disrespectful thing to do considering everything that has happened so far this year and it really does show that we are very far from kicking racism out of football at the moment, it was very disappointing to see those fans react this way yesterday. I do find it worrying that there is the possibility of this happening in other fixtures too judging by some comments I’ve seen from various posters on other sites where they believed the Millwall fans were right in what they did.

I’ve seen comments that it apparently happened in the West Ham game yesterday but I haven’t actually been able to find evidence of it happening so I don’t believe it to be true.

I just feel bad for the Millwall fans that disagreed with what happened yesterday since they will be tarnished with the same brush is all.

One would hope some of the more progressive of their contingent get tickets soon and use the opportunity to put out a positive message and perhaps give a clap to the display, because right now it's simply a case of Millwall taking the dubious mantle back from the Burnley sadact who put the White Lives Matter banner over Manchester.

Fingers crossed, eh.

Agree with both comments above. Its up to the other fans to say something. Before lockdown most clubs were quite good at rooting out this element from the stands, so the leagues and the clubs are going to have to get to work if they truly believe in the causes they're supporting.

... addressing racism and discrimination in sport, isn’t that what Kick it Out stand for and strive for..?..there are obviously some football fans who don’t have that belief, but to actually take actions in booing that support of equality is just difficult to find any type of defence for or understanding of... when there was this same type effect toxicity in the Labour Party with anti semitism accusations, there were no boos for anyone speaking out about it...and I don’t understand why this would be any different or thought of in any different way to that...it’s a discriminative mindset that is marring the sport and has no place ...any stand or knee taken against it should have nothing but applause.../......support...

Many of that Crowd
would see it as a BLM Political Group gesture.


But Sure some could also be racist.

Surely they can identify the culprits from yesterday with so few attending ?


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Oh fans going to Football games should definitely be reporting racism when they see it happen a lot more often than they do imo.

It's just I'm never a fan of collective punishment, I've said it when we had people like Gary Neville and Alan Shearer encouraging this logic when one Blues fan attacked Jack Grealish a couple of seasons ago, and I'll defend Millwall and the innocent fans that didn't boo in this incident. Punish the individual/individuals in these incidents, don't punish everyone involved with the club.

Taking a knee never started as. BLM thing. The idiots here are starting to sound like the American ones who tried twist it into disrespecting the flag.