…that’s always going to be someone’s choice, how they see it…whether they see it as a moment’s gesture of likeminded solidarity against inequality or whether they see it as an extreme left wing political doctrine being forced on them ….it’s a very, very simple thing and the spirit of it and in it is what we ourselves make it and how we perceive it…that one gesture doesn’t incorporate or represent a whole movement and it’s layers, it only represents a united show of equality and a one goal….

…the longer it continues, the more dissent there will be…and the more dissent there is, the more it’s shown the need for it…it’s a bit of a stalemate, then…but through time there has always been resistance to progression in striving for equality…so, it’s just slogging on, really ….

the vast majority of people were fully supportive of the kick it out campaign which is the official anti racism campaign supported by all the international football bodies. Then England decided to take the knee and associate themselves with black lives matter, an american extreme left political organisation. Can you not see whats wrong with that? It's alienating so many people and sets the fight against racism backward not forward

…it’s a very simple gesture and visual gestures are important as well to show support and to show a one mind and a one goal…it has no more meaning than that except for anyone who wishes to place more meaning, which mindsets like Farage try to in order to prohibit and prevent and keep the boat rocking how he prefers it…it doesn’t embody a complete belief in a movement that some seem very oppose to…it’s a gesture of equality…so there is the kick out movement…? …I get that also but I’m sorry, I just can’t get into a mindset that it can only be one thing…we have kick out so nothing further is necessary or wanted, this is how it is…?…how can restrictions like that be placed on equality and then any hope that progression will happen…it may prove to be meaningless and not progress anything at all..?…of course that’s possible… but it won’t change that being in one mind of a continued reaching of equality and being together in that…if something so united and simple in terms of a gesture could alienate and divide…then that mindset was very open to being alienated and divided so again…it very much shows the need for that united determination…

Last Question on Question Time.

BLM Political is from USA
thats the problem,
Yanis from Greece Loves it.


Of Course He would................

A UK Football Pitch
is the wrong place.
Southgate is a Fool on "this"





Its Sport
Not Woke Politics

People cant dictate what a gesture means to someone else. Can't you see the irony in putting that forward.

The connection to BLM is very real, people arent making it up. I am not someone who would boo about it, but i most certainly don't like it and the longer it continues the more I will voice my opposition to it. It is my right to say I do not agree with what the gesture means to ME. It's connected with extreme left politics, and I will never ever support that

"the connection to BLM is very real" except for... the literal proof and etymology (it originating with Colin Kaepernick) that it isn't, and the absence of any England footballers or staff endorsing BLM.

Christ it must be exhausting reading so much into an anti-racism campaign.

It's not forcing it down anyone's throat though. They aren't asking the fans to kneel, its the player's and their choice. Some PL players have stopped doing it and that's their choice. It's a 1 minute thing, don't like it, don't watch, get a brew etc. We have to watch them either looking stoney faced or pretending to know the National Anthem before the match, its just something they now do. :shrug:

The likes of Rashford and Stirling get racist abuse during and after some games from their own fans, let alone when they play for England against some of the Eastern European teams.

it is forcing it down peoples throats .... that's why they are doing it :laugh:

Anyway, i will always support removing racism, but i will never support anything associated with BLM. So, for me it is now counter productive and that's not what you want from a campaign

i'm sure the extreme left wing on this forum are perfectly fine with it, as it aligns with their politics, but the vast majority of the country are not extreme left wing as evidenced by recent elections, so, its not going to get the support it would have if it were free of politics

…it is free of politics, that’s the point…there is no politics in an anti discrimination gesture…the politics are being placed on it in a way of preventing….


…the resistance to it, to me is saying…we already have as much ‘equality’ as we’re comfortable with, we don’t need more….the fact that there is resistance and opposition as there is…?…to me show how much it’s needed to continue and I’m glad that that’s what the mindset atm within the football body is…

…I’m perfectly fine with it, I’m not extreme left or extreme anything and any way that I might vote politically for my reasons…have no bearing on that I’m fine with it…

This for me too

If being ‘extreme left’ means that I’m fine with people protesting against racism and trying to make actual changes to help fight discrimination, then count me the **** in

So what.


This is the Wrong Politics
on a Live UK Football Match



It will be Boooo'd every time.

No you are Forcing USA BLM
on a UK Match.

…it’s not politics for those taking the knee, it’s a simple gesture of unity and like mindedness against racism and in support of equality…why should those who are practising it and know it’s meaning for them, take on the politics of others because they’re seeing their own meaning and placing political on it…

…society is only where it is through persistence and determination over things like booing ../…resistance to change or progression….

I agree with this, there is and has always been a problem with racism in football/soccer and I think it's a nice gesture of solidarity among the players. I don't think any player should be forced into doing it but I don't see a problem with those who want to do it, to continue doing it? I don't see how it warrants boos either

I totally agree.

I support the players doing so myself too.
There clearly us from the booing, still elements of racism that perhaps needs to be stamped out of sport.

That does not matter
The Fact they are Doing the USA BLM Political Move
Upsets the UK Fans
can you not understand that???????????????

…why the lots of question marks, Arista…15 of them, I think…to express your disapproval that I don’t agree with you…yes, I do understand that others are trying to place some type of political meaning on it that isn’t there for those who are expressing it as a simple united gesture ….against racism and supporting equality…

… Wilfried Zaha doesn’t wish to take the knee so instead he ‘stands tall’…it still equates to the same gesture of being united against inequality…booing is booing equality, it’s not booing a gesture…I completely understand…

No offence, but English football fans have shown over the years that they might be in dire need of a lecture or two on equality and racial sensitivity

+ i don't think UEFA wouldn't mind this at all, given their own #SayNoToRacism motto

"yes, I do understand that others are trying to place some type of political meaning on it"


BLM USA Politics have no place
at the match

bang on right Arista and hopefully the cacophony of boos at each match will ram the point home

get up off your knees

…and they’re not at the match unless you yourself are personally placing those politics at the match in your own mindset in a way to dismiss a simple equality support/anti racism gesture because enough is enough with this darn equality, let’s limit and restrict it, please…supporting a gesture is not supporting a movement and any and all politics attached or unattached to it…the players understand this and the federation understands this and apparently the government understand this as well as they’ve nodded their support of the gesture today and I would hope that most of the fans support it….so you can repeat to me, Arista…but it won’t change that taking the knee is not political….it’s an equality gesture and those who boo it are booing what it stands for…they’re booing equality and anti racism….

Honestly the majority of fans aren't racist at all, and couldn't care less if the players take a knee (we included). We just wanna support our team and hope they do well.

No they are Booo ing the USA BLM Politics

Scottish Teams have said they will Stand.

Thats better

they are going to kneel at wembley

yes

https://www.irishtimes.com/sport/soc...ches-1.4589735

they will take the knee when they play the England game in solidarity

I think taking the knee is too mixed up with other issues, and it comes from America. they should come up with their own gesture which might have more impact tbh

Just get on with the game and leave the silly VS to social media

Will they Get to Wembley?

Scotland play England at Wembley next week :laugh:

They are in the same group... :hee:

OK

Arista why you getting all bent out of shape about this when you obviously don't even follow football:laugh:

No time

People are more offended by people kneeling than by the racism being protested against, it’s still shocking

Taking the Knee represents USA Political BLM

Why don’t they ask all the fans to cheer wildly whilst they’re kneeling and simply drown out the boos ?


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