Ahhh the 24-hour bakery :joker: went there after my first legal night out

Surely when you are assaulted you should do everything you can to keep your assailant down, incase they get back up and try again.

I don't think the "I murdered them because they threw a drink on me and I didn't want them to do it again" defense really stacks up in court.

You should respond with force that's proportionate to the situation. If someone is trying to kill you - do whatever it takes to keep them from doing that. If someone breaks into your house in the night by all means kick 'em down the stairs.

But no, responding to someone hitting/slapping/throwing something at you with GBH is not proportionate. Don't kick someone in the head unless you're ready for the consequences of them dying or suffering permanent disability - because they might.

…this is really weird…(…and disturbing obviously…)…I don’t know what to make of it…there is a clearer vid on YouTube and the whole thing is very much ‘goaded’ and being laughed at…no concern from anyone filming it for her safety and at one little point it feels as though the ‘security person’ was laughing with them…as if it was all set up…I honestly just don’t know if it’s real or not but it’s pretty awful, obviously…the vid was posted by a YouTube ‘news channel’ so far as I can see but I don’t quite understand these things…maybe to create interest and shock value for their channel and to draw in views…?…anyways, having the baton would be a crime anyway…let alone using it…even security guards, if he indeed is one…are surely not legally allowed to carry or have a weapon of any sort…it’s all a bit weird and something feels a bit off….

if this was a cop we would have riots and blood on the streets.
He should lose his job and never work in security again.

Yes it does look like a set up
Having a baton - is strange for UK.
Is it a rough part of town?


This one did not hit Main TV news

…it just feels as though it could have possibly all been staged to create interest in a new ‘YouTube news channel’…I might be wrong but at various points each one of them seemed to be laughing and cheering, very odd behaviour…obviously a disturbing ‘attack’ but it’s hard to know if it was a real attack…


…security guards are t allowed to legally have weapons let alone to use one…they have no authority to be ‘armed’ in any way…that would be a terrifying thought also…

it's another flavour of outrage generation by the sounds of it

…the West Midland’s police have said that they’re aware of the vid circulating and are appealing for witnesses etc and trying to ascertain its authenticity etc…there is a train of though also that it is in fact a real reaction from the guard….?…and she was goaded to throw the drink by the people filming it and feeling an ‘assurance of protection’ from them if anything became threatening toward her …but that their intention was to just film any violence etc for the purpose ‘for likes’ and literally throw her under a baton…(…she may have emotional vulnerabilities…)…so I don’t know in all honesty, something just doesn’t fit right with any of it…but it’s all just speculation and I’m not sure whether the police will be able to shed any further light….

Don't try to use that defence Parmy x

Doesn’t work like that.

I very rarely have to use physical restraint so I know the legalities of it....but when I do it’s because the risk meets the need for it.

It has to be reasonable. This means that there is a risk of serious harm to myself, the public or severe property damage. It has to be proportionate, so using a hold would be proportionate whereas kicking someone in the head wouldn’t. Could I use pava spray or would I have to deploy taser for example or a batton gun ....necessary, does the risk presented make it necessary for me to use force or I can I de-escalate through other methods.

A restraint should also be used for the least amount of time. I could go on and write a lot about this, but it’s not necessary.

Having said all this, even though there will be approved techniques, someone is justifiably able to use other means of restraint, such as a kick to th4 head in the most severe situations where there is an immediate threat to life.

This occasion there wasn’t.

Did u know though

In risky medical settings (e.g. secure inpatient mental health or sometimes addictions services) - if a staff member or someone else (another member of staff, or a member of the public) is at risk, hair pulling is actually a legitimate and quite effective defense tactic for getting an attacker off of someone... especially a smaller staff member trying to get a larger patient off of someone else in order to restrain.

It's painful and efficient yet highly unlikely to cause serious injury.

Wig snatching. Who knew.

[edit] I actually feel like I should add to this though that most patients in addictions settings are not dangerous (to staff), that's actually an unfair stereotype as most tend to try their best to be respectful of NHS staff, and even the ones who like to mouth off, it's usually just that. They will knock lumps out of each other in the waiting room though :umm2:.

Yeah that makes sense actually TS

Again, depends on the circumstances. Different settings also use different training, mapa, price, team teach etc. Varies depending on the region or if emergency services can be force wide.

Corkscrew is a good one for releasing someone’s hold on hair.

Requires you placing your finger(s) through the clenched hand and making a corkscrew motion to release.

i used to know someone that worked as a nurse in a secure hospital, and i lost count of the times he appeared battered and bruised.