One of the links I was looking through yesterday named all 3 of them, I'll try to find it again, I think the third guy might have also been called John but I'll see if I can find it.

Re the Gate, I mean just how? It's disgraceful really

Yeah, it would make you wonder alright. Could she have made that initial anonymous phone call to try to make out some man was in the area or something?

Found it :

Under cross examination, she claims she had previously given the name Jan Bartells to gardaí, on the instructions of a detective.

https://www.irishexaminer.com/news/arid-30654781.html

…she apparently also said that one of the Garda detectives stripped naked and asked her for sex and she talked about Ian Bailey ‘filling barrels of sperm’ and talking incessantly about his sex life in her presence…she was very focused on sexual stuff…


…the gate going missing, if it went missing from a police evidence holding area…which is how it seems to be…then surely it would point to someone in the Garda removing it…/…very odd…but then other articles say ‘from the scene’….


…how horrific the murder was, how brutal and savage and violent…I feel that wouldn’t be a ‘one time thing/one time loss of control’ to ‘lose it’ to that extent…so I keep coming back to Ian Bailey and his violence toward Jules, giving him a ‘history’ of losing it, if you like….

Yeah, he's certainly capable of having done that, that's for sure. It did seem like a very frenzied opportunistic attack too. It certainly doesn't scream professional hit like the theory Ian bailey was trying to push

Well this is Bizarre..........


Ian Bailey tells of his lunch with Sinead O'Connor in West Cork

Fellow diners were stunned to see the famous singer sitting with the man who was the prime suspect in the death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier

https://i.imgur.com/ElZDMMF.jpeg

Ian Bailey says he sat down for lunch with Sinead O'Connor in West Cork to talk about poetry.

The unlikely pair were spotted sharing lunch at a restaurant in the West Cork village of Glengarriff earlier this week.

And Bailey, who was a prime suspect in the 1996 murder of French film maker Sophie Toscan Dui Plantier, told The Star newspaper that they talked about his work and the possibility of Sinead turning one of his poems into a song.

“She has become aware of my poetry and she was interested in my poetry with a view to turn one or two of them into songs — and that’s really what it was about,” Bailey said.


“Also Sinead is now a Journalist working for the Sunday Independent … Ms O’Connor approached me as a professional working journalist and expressed interest in talking to me about her new column in the Sindo.”

Bailey has had fresh notoriety since the release of two high-profile documentary series recounting the circumstances of the death of Sophie Toscan du Plantier in West Cork in 1996.

He has taken to social media, with a Facebook page, and claims to have attracted a huge online following in a very short time.

“I was a social media virgin until recently and then I put up posts and went from zero to 100 in 60 seconds.

“I put up a Twitter account, Facebook account and Instagram and I noticed I am getting quite a lot of contact from members of the female sex through my Facebook page,” he said.

“I just happened to notice that I’ve had a lot of contact through Facebook and the majority of the contact is from ladies."

“All of this is completely novel and new to me.”

In 2019 Bailey was convicted in absentia in a French court of the murder of Sophie Toscan Du Plantier.

He has always maintained his innocence and fought every attempt by the French authorities to extradite him.

https://www.corkbeo.ie/news/local-ne...8p9_eRQh3q6rKU

all looking for a battering


“Also Sinead is now a Journalist working for the Sunday Independent … Ms O’Connor approached me as a professional working journalist and expressed interest in talking to me about her new column in the Sindo.”

basically looking for a new slant on the story I guess

….hmmm, a completely different story from Sinead to explain their meeting…


“She has become aware of my poetry and she was interested in my poetry with a view to turn one or two of them into songs — and that’s really what it was about,” Bailey said.

…this claim of Ian Bailey, she’s responded to in the media and social media etc to say that it’s absolutely untrue…the reason for their meeting was because Sinead is now writing for the Sunday Independent and as a journalist, there were ‘5 questions’ that she wanted to ask him that she personally can’t recall him being asked before….she said that Ian Bailey suggested that they had their photograph taken by a friend of his, which she had no objection to…?…(…he obviously had pr set intentions to sell this as he’s rushed in with ‘a version’….


"I was told that a photo was being taken by a friend. I don't have any problem seeing that photo used in newspapers, I do have a problem with him telling people I'm going to use his poems for songs,"

…she’s planning on writing her article as intended but Ian Bailey seems to have rushed to ‘sell’ his story…it really bothers me that he’s made so much money and had so much infamy from Sophies’s brutal murder, as if he’s revelled in it…one of the things with the two documentaries being made and being made so close together….back to back, really…is the different perspective between them because there was only one that Sophie’s family would agree to take part in if it was made more as a tribute to her life as well…when I thought about it, her family haven’t taken part in all of them or taken very little part in some….whereas, I read that Ian Bailey was annoyed that he hadn’t been more featured in a Murder in West Cork…(…I think it’s that one that’s mainly the family, I watched them both so close together…)…it feels like he’s really exploited her murder for self publicity, I think that was said in something…something along the lines of…what would his work/career been without this and Sophie to ‘influence’….why would an innocent man be almost insisting on being a part of any documentary…why would he feel slighted for not being part of anything when apparently he was no part of her dearth according to his claims…I would believe him more if he didn’t seem to search publicity for his ‘victim’ …for financial gain…?…for ego gain…?…for his work…?….


….anyway, Obviously Sinead has bias in her feelings toward him but she also stated that after he’d had a few drinks of alcohol in their meeting, she felt that his demeaned changed to be quite threatening and intimidating….


…some of the questions that she had particularly wanted to ask Ian Bailey…

What do you think should happen to whoever killed Sophie?

What would you say to that person [who killed Sophie] if they were here now?

Why he has never made a public appeal for the real killer to come forward



…before Sinead has got her article out, lots of stories in multiple media already from Ian Bailey giving his account first…Sinead showed ‘xenophobia toward his English-ness…’….

…she tried to get him drunk so that she could claim that he was aggressive when drunk….


…victim, victim, victim, victim, victim, victim….me, me, me, me, me, me….

…a small thing maybe, but one thing that he said toward the end of the last documentary that really made me shudder and has stayed with me…was him referring to Sophie as ‘that woman’…..



…such good luck to Sinead in her journalistic career…:love:…

Oh thanks for that Ammi, I'm glad Sinead hadn't wanted to make his poems into songs, he's a pretty terrible poet anyway

…she’s ‘xenophobia toward his English-ness…’….or maybe she’s murdererphobic, I’m sure that it couldn’t be that, oh no no no….

Oh yeah it was his English-ness I'm sure.......... :laugh: He's a very odd man, he seems to hate Irish people but still want be a part of the culture, so weird

Legendary singer Sinead O'Connor arranges to hand over unseen Ian Bailey interview footage to gardai
The Bray native plans to hand over the unseen footage to gardai to show them his physical and emotional reactions to questions

Legendary singer Sinead O’Connor has arranged with gardai to hand over unseen footage of her interview with Ian Bailey, we can reveal.

The Nothing Compares 2 U hitmaker met with the writer, who was a key suspect in the murder of French film maker Sophie Toscan Du Plantier, last week to interview him for her Sunday newspaper column.

Sinead recorded their interview on her iPhone, with Mr Bailey’s knowledge and asked him questions about the 1996 murder of the mum of one, which he always denied having any involvement in.

The Bray native plans to hand over the unseen footage to gardai to show them his physical and emotional reactions to questions she asked him about the case.

Sinead said: “I have made arrangements with gardai to hand over the footage. They requested I did not hand that over in the public arena because it will become part of the investigation.


“I didn’t give the footage to the Sunday Independent because when I spoke to gardai, their attitude was they would like to see it before deciding for themselves whether or not they want to make it public.”

It is understood the unpublished footage shows mum-of-four Sinead interviewing Mr Bailey and asking him five questions, including what did he think should happen to whoever murdered Sophie?

https://www.irishmirror.ie/news/iris...anges-24571045

Wow you really like this show don't you nim

…sadly ‘emotional reactions’ won’t make any differences to the justice system, will they…but she so wanted to ask him those questions which she felt were so important and had never been asked…such a far thing from being inspired by his poetry/work in any way and wanting to translate it to song lyrics….’that woman’ ..(..as he referred to Sophie…)…is the person and woman who is feeding his income still… he rushed to make more money from her murder with his meeting with Sinead…so eager to add value to his version….

…bless Sinead’s heart, though to want to show them his reactions…:love:..his version did seem quite unbelievable and that’s because it’s all just another income for him…

It's not about the show itself, it's an unsolved murder that I've known about and followed since it happened in the 90's and plus it happened where I'm from

Yeah I know. So weird how he tried to spin their meeting too

..I wanted to read this actually, it looks like it might be an interesting article and ‘study’ of Ian Bailey’s character ….ughh, so many media’s that you have to subscribe to, though, which I won’t do….


https://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/f...gyny-1.4624916

I tried to find it somewhere else but I can't, damn it looks interesting as well

Wow that cool no one ever get murder were i am :bawling::bawling::bawling:

That's why it was such an unusual case, no one had ever been murdered there and hasn't been since as far as I know, it's generally a very safe area

You should move in with me just to he safe don't think Charlotte will mind :think:

:laugh:

Murder suspect Ian Bailey dies in Cork, aged 66

Ian Bailey, who was the chief suspect in the murder of French woman Sophie Toscan du Plantier, has died.

She was found murdered outside her west Cork home near Schull on the morning of 23 December 1996.

His death has been confirmed by his solicitor Frank Buttimer.

It is understood Mr Bailey, 66, collapsed this afternoon in Bantry where he lived.

Emergency services were called to assist him, but he was unresponsive.

Mr Buttimer said he was extremely saddened to hear the news of Mr Bailey's death.

He said he had known him for 27 years and had had a lot of interaction with him in a professional capacity acting for him in a number of legal proceedings.

https://www.thisisbigbrother.com/for...ght=ian+bailey

…oh wow, I wonder how Sophie’s family/her son feels about that…I’m trying to process how I would feel…I know that there is very small chance that they would ever know for sure if he took her life, but it’s been a huge focus in their own lives for so long, obviously…I feel a bit stunned so I can’t imagine their emotions right now…

Her brother has spoken out and said he blames Ireland/the Irish justice system that his sister will never get justice now as Ian bailey was found guilty in France but we wouldn't extradite him. I understand his frustration and it is our fault but i would say it's our fault from the original investigation by Police, they messed it up, lost vital evidence, seemingly coerced a witness to lie about the person she saw that night near Sophies house etc. I don't however think it's our fault for not extraditing Ian Bailey (as much of a horrible person he was) I don't think there was any evidence at all to say he killed her

https://www.independent.ie/irish-new...110414799.html

…this is a huge part of why I feel a bit stunned as to how to feel because he was very abusive to his wife…she was hospitalised for the physical injuries that he inflicted on her…even if he didn’t kill Sophie, I feel very little understanding of him as a person…and interesting, although his wife stood by him over the years….she’s reported to have said that she ‘felt nothing’ with the news of his death…

She finally realised what a monster he was (whether he killed Sophie or not) after she managed to get him out of her life maybe?