i don't understand people need to say ... nope that wasn't terrorism ... because, i'm sorry but it was an act of terror under any sensible definition. People wanting to classify it otherwise can precede it with political or religious if it fits better, but it's still an act of terror

Well that's your opinion, but we have PACE and the criminal prosecution service for a reason and they would not be convicted of a terrorist related offence unless it was political.

Even the media and police have said this is not terrorist related.

Just because something causes 'terror' does not make it terrorism.

How the hell did this killer have a gun licence ?

Maybe 2 years back
he was a normal bloke

Don't we all think the police are keeping a keen watch on people with gun licences ? esp if they show any signs of mental illness ~ this could have been stopped ~ no ones doing the checks obv.

he would have been 20 and so way should own a gun at that age

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08...8874108172.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-51-hated.html

[The adopted three-year-old girl and her father, 43,
who were shot dead at random by 'incel' Plymouth gunman
as they walked home and were taken to hospital
where her mother works after rampage that left six dead
Jake Davison, 22, shot and killed mother, 50, at a
property in the Keyham area of Plymouth, Devon, last night
He then went outside and shot dead Sophie Martyn, 3, and
her father Lee, 43, with a pump-action shotgun
Davison then killed Stephen Washington, 59,
in nearby parkland, before shooting
dead Kate Shepherd, 66,
He also shot two other local residents
who are now being treated in
hospital for non-life
threatening injuries
Davison spoke of affinity
with 'incel' movement
whose misogynist members
have carried
out mass murder
YouTube and Facebook deleted his
hate-filled accounts - but only on the
day after he carried out massacre]

Luke Pollard MP (Labour and Co-operative politician)
Live on Ch4HDnews
has says people look out for one and another
in Plymouth.

He says give the Police the space
to look into this crime.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel

The Incel group
Active in the Canada, USA, and UK

An expert (Ch4HDnews) says there are around 10,000
in the UK.


In the USA she says its 100,000's

His Gun was taken off him late last year (after an Assault claim)
but that Pump Action Shot Gun was returned to him last month


Ch4HDnews Live.


Their reporter Clair Fallon
was brought up there.

it was returned to him last month? ****ing hell man :facepalm:

Having killed his mother, Davison left the property and immediately shot and killed Mr Martyn and his daughter on the street.

Stephen Washington, 59, was also killed, along with Kate Shepherd, 66, who was injured at the scene and died later at Derriford Hospital.

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I call that terrorism

I thought pump action guns were illegal in the UK? What reason would someone have to hold one

This is my hometown, where I live... and it is the sort of thing you expect to hear about in places like the US with relaxed laws and multiple shootings, but not here. I think a lot of people are staying inside today.

Gunman in Plymouth…
 

As usual, you have literally no idea what you’re talking about, but on this occasion I can’t be bothered going too far into it. The PUA/MRA/Incel movements are no different to radical Islam or racial extremism, they do target women, repeatedly, it has been a growing problem for decades and this is 100% terrorism.

Just because it’s not a subsection of radicalised behaviour you were previously aware of doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist. You would do well to actually read up on it, instead of dismissing it out of hand, because you aren’t aware of the issues women face.

Yes Incel is Terrorism.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/1s/2021/08...8888039637.jpg


https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-51-hated.html

So so tragic…the lives he has ruined.

I dont get it at all gal, why?

Disgusting and shocking crime. His mental health was obviously a complete mess judging by everything he said on Youtube

I agree with all this

Do you think that an Islamic extremist making videos online saying that he’s going to blow people up in the name of an invisible man in the sky is demonstrating good mental health?

No of course not; it’s bat**** bonkers. But it’s still radicalisation, extremism and terrorism. Just like this.

He didn’t come up with this stuff himself, there are literally hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of these guys encouraging each other, winding each other up, and recruiting young confused people.

Just like any other terrorist group.

:joker::joker::joker:

In your eyes, not the laws.

Nothing clear cut about it

The picture of that family is heartbreaking, and to find out she was adopted so all the hoops they had to jump through to get her, just appalling

So basically you don’t want a debate. Well leave the forum then hunny as this is what serious debates is about.

You said it’s mostly aimed at women, I gave you examples of it not mainly being women, but that’s fine you dismiss that.

You need to look at the law as to what is classified terrorism. I’m sure that the police who study it have got it all wrong though :joker: seeing as they have not classed this as terrorism.

Intel, you’re putting 2 + 2 together to come up with 500. He killed men in this stack too.

Carry on though as you don’t want a debate. :dance:

He said hi,self he didn’t identify as Intel.

There are a lot of things which could have pushed him to do this and that might not include intel.

You should be a women’s activist seeing as you have such passionate views about mainly women this, mainly women that yet ignoring the bigger picture.

he identified as part of a group that felt he had a right to have sex with women and took his revenge for not getting that on the biggest woman figure in his life, his mother. I don't know how much clearer it could be

That would have been bad enough, but the fact he then went on to murder random people passing in the street is another level. To deliberately murder a 3 year old little girl is just beyond words for me

I don’t actually know how clearer it could be.

From his video, he actually talks about being the terminator so I just don’t think it’s fair to say 100% this was intel related. I’m thinking holistically about this...domestic dispute, mental health.... we don’t know 100%...and in order to class something as terrorism, in the eyes of the law, there has to be grounds and reasonable suspicion....it’s just not 100 clear cut as to the motives and reasoning.

Mental health is a cross roads and we can take one path or the other, many cases, numerous paths.

I think he identified as many things and couldn’t see the wood through the trees.

Again, it could be intel, but then it could be narcissist personality disorder which includes delusions of grandeur... I understand the polices reasoning to not classify this as terrorism at this point

This really irks me.

‘Dog Walker’ ffs :facepalm: Can’t they have the decency to say their actual names instead of giving them a tag??

Is it known if the other victims were connected to him in any way?

This is heartbreaking.
The father trying to save his little girl :bawling:

Fast moving DM images

That image has changed again
with a ITVnews Video in the centre now

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/home/index.html

Thats the trouble with pump action shot gun



Real sad
the 3 year old did not stand a chance

Gunman in Plymouth…
 

You keep saying “intel”

It’s “incel”

You don’t even know the word, you have absolutely no idea what you’re talking about, this problem is massive, you apparently aren’t interested or don’t care (why would you, I suppose, you have the privilege of it not affecting you at all) but by denying this problem or refusing to even believe that there is one, you are part of the problem. So no, I don’t want to debate this topic with you.

You also say he "says he didn't identify as intel" (I assume you meant incel)

From the article;

This is 100% incel rhetoric and indoctrination. The article also clearly states that he himself identified as and referred to himself as "blackpill". If you don't know what that is, here you go;

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Incel#Red_pill



When you clearly have so little idea of what the topic is that you can’t even spell the word.

Leading me to believe that you’d never even heard it until yesterday.


MRA rhetoric. Keep it.