Originally Posted by Captain.Remy (Post 11090507)

I do hope the victims feel better and will get justice for what happened. Whether it's from a trans person or not, a sexual offense is a terrible thing to experience. So I hope they will be alright.

It's unfortunately a case that makes the trans community look bad and is wrongly assimilated to sex offenders like that person.
The trans people I work with are horrified every time a news like that is coming out. They're scared enough for their rights for those kind of events to create even more fear and hatred.

And the Self ID concept is also very debated within the trans community because a lot of them do want at least a form of medical follow-up to be able to legally change the gender on official documents.
There is a whole range of measures that can be taken to do that, from Self ID to requiring proof of gender reassignment surgery, with different steps in between. So it's not just one view vs another view, it's more so a complex topic that needs to be adressed by all parties in good spirits.

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11090573)

Tbh it would be great to have a conversation in good spirits, the problem is it seems we can’t, Just taking this case in isolation, there should have been an immediate red flag for the staff that this person exposed themselves, my feeling is pre op trans women would be respectful of being in a shared female space,we, men and women have all managed to change in a communal space or at the beach without exposing ourselves so to my mind this was a deliberate act which was then dealt with appallingly by the staff probably due to some of the reasons TS outlined above, so until we can move on from name calling or worse we are where we are

Originally Posted by Captain.Remy (Post 11090604)

I believe both parties can't have a proper conversation currently and it's mostly due to social media amplifying everything and resorting to name calling way too easily.

Social media is not the best media to have any kind of serious conversation to begin with, let alone a discussion about rights in general.

At the shelter for LGBT+ people I partially work for, we try to organize debates based on those issues and I remember we hosted a discussion between cis women and trans women one day. Both groups had strong opinions but in the end it turned out to be super respectful and everyone got to talk.
No name calling and if I remember correctly the outcome was that more gender neutral places should exist. And both groups now walk together at Pride and at walks for womens rights etc
It's just an example and one of many possible outcomes but I feel like open face to face discussions do more good than bad.

Originally Posted by Liam- (Post 11090454)

Got what they deserved.

It’s just a shame that people are now going to use this as an example in their anti-trans tirades, just like people did back in the day before gays were treated like humans.

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11090671)

As usual. It’s tiring honestly. Don’t these miserable white women have anything else to complain about

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11090671)

As usual. It’s tiring honestly. Don’t these miserable white women have anything else to complain about

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11090671)

As usual. It’s tiring honestly. Don’t these miserable white women have anything else to complain about

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11090674)

Actually the women who complained in the Gym were black

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11090671)

As usual. It’s tiring honestly. Don’t these miserable white women have anything else to complain about

Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11090671)

As usual. It’s tiring honestly. Don’t these miserable white women have anything else to complain about

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11090690)

We will keep you tired don’t worry, small issue of hard fought women’s rights at stake..If that’s being miserable I will take it over your narrow mind any day

Originally Posted by Ninastar (Post 11090710)

Yeah didn’t y’all know that it’s only white people who can be problematic??

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11090709)

Imagine if you were black and having to defend that sort of idiotic statement cherie!!

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11090718)

What Elliott seems to fails to comprehend is that women’s rights protect all women however they got there ..so we should all be on the same page against predators and people who abuse the system, we don’t live in Utopia!

Originally Posted by parmnion (Post 11090721)

Shush you, you're to privaliged to have problems.:nono:

Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11090718)

What Elliott seems to fails to comprehend is that women’s rights protect all women however they got there ..so we should all be on the same page against predators and people who abuse the system, we don’t live in Utopia!

Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11090674)

Actually the women who complained in the Gym were black

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