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Cherie 15-11-2021 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Elliot (Post 11113313)
When have the right ever cared about women lmao? They’ve spent the last few decades trying to outlaw abortion. Be careful who you lay your bed with

This isn’t a political issue ...

Niamh. 15-11-2021 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie (Post 11113351)
This isn’t a political issue ...

Exactly. I would say I'm left leaning but every issue is different, we've lost all sense of critical thinking if we have to agree with the party line on every issue without using our own brains and life experience to form an opinion. Following the accepted views from one "side" without question is the definition of being a sheep

Oliver_W 15-11-2021 06:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Niamh. (Post 11113358)
Exactly. I would say I'm left leaning but every issue is different, we've lost all sense of critical thinking if we have to agree with the party line on every issue without using our own brains and life experience to form an opinion. Following the accepted views from one "side" without question is the definition of being a sheep

One might even say expecting women to give up their rights for males is pretty right wing :hehe:

Niamh. 15-11-2021 07:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Oliver_W (Post 11113359)
One might even say expecting women to give up their rights for males is pretty right wing :hehe:

Yeah, at the end of the day my only interest in this topic is women's rights, I don't care about left or right, I care about safety and fairness for women.

Tom4784 15-11-2021 08:26 PM

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Oliver_W 15-11-2021 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11113375)
Well, it's a good job no one is saying women should give up their rights, isn't it? Inventing arguments that people haven't made to score points isn't a good look.

Expecting transwomen to have access to female spaces is asking women to give up woman-only spaces.

Tom4784 15-11-2021 08:32 PM

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user104658 15-11-2021 08:36 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11113375)
Well, it's a good job no one is saying women should give up their rights, isn't it? Inventing arguments that people haven't made to score points isn't a good look.

At the absolute minimum, women have the right to open academic debate before changes are made to protections that were put into place specifically for women (hard-won protections, one might add) and an open and honest examination of the evidence base for it being a) safe and b) necessary... plus the right to offer counterpoints to that debate without being attacked or harrassed (or doxxed, or fired) for it.

That is not currently on offer. Debate is labelled hateful and transphobic by its very existence.

I'm not even conservative (in the literal sense) on this topic I think there are probably solutions and compromises that make things safer and fairer across the board - it's not as though things couldn't be improved regardless so why would anyone strictly want things to stay just as they are - but that place simply can't be reached without allowing research and debate. If there's no impact on women's rights then allow robust, peer-reviewed literature to show that there's no impact on women's rights and then you can state that there isn't with some actual gravitas. Until then there's just no realistic justification that it's reasonable to expect anyone to blindly accept.

bots 15-11-2021 08:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11113380)
Only transphobes think it has to be one extreme or the other.

not true

Tom4784 15-11-2021 08:38 PM

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Oliver_W 15-11-2021 08:53 PM

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Originally Posted by Dezzy (Post 11113380)
Only transphobes think it has to be one extreme or the other.

Women either have the right to woman-only spaces, or they don't. In this case, it only can go one way or the other.


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