Some people don't like the rights that trans people have right now was what I should've clarified in my earlier post.

mock what do you think a woman is?

Tbf I haven't seen a lot of these Shows that you're talking about because they are too agenda driven for my liking, and for me I always like to make my own mind up on things.

Piers Morgan is clever with how he presents things though from when I have caught the odd segments of his Shows, he just basically takes controversial elements about a community and then generalises the entire group.

It's largely thanks to him that I never trust political Shows.

Tbf both groups are oppressed to some extent.

How are they more oppressed? Women are literally being asked to stand aside for a subset of male, and allow them into their single-sex spaces and sports, and to make "compromises" with female terminology... This is just the latest version of males stepping over women.

So, by what definition are transwomen more oppressed?

so in the UK there are around 33,000,000 women and 200,000 trans women

Biologically speaking they're born female is my answer.

And personally in Sports I sadly couldn't see a way for biological women and transwomen to fairly play against each other, so I do support the decision that some of the Sports have taken.

However I honestly don't hate the Trans community, why would I? Unless they've done something heinous then I say let them live in peace.

why would you hate them

That's my point.

It's weird to me that some people just hate Trans people, and I'm not talking about the people concerned for biological women's rights, I'm talking about the people that despised BB contestants ffs just because they were Trans.

They're the people that I don't understand.

mock

there are people who hate old people
young people, circus acts, football players, people who like eggs etc

this is not a surprise to you?

i haven't seen anyone on any media channel hate trans people. I've seen a lot of trans activists behaving inappropriately to woman. Are you sure you have that right mock?

But they're weird imo.:laugh:

I'd ridicule someone if they hated me just because I was younger or older than them.:joker:

I don't know, I think it's best to judge people on their behaviour imo.

Oh I'm thinking more about the general public than the media.

The media has always been split on born women, so the people that are anti-women are probably having an orgasm at the thought of being able to verbally attack biological women and have another community back them up.

The general public however definitely has more of an issue with Trans people, some can't even handle them appearing on TV Shows fgs, like it's gonna be the end of the world or something.

Tbh though with Macy Gray she is from a different generation to me and a lot of us on this Forum, so the people that are expecting her to have modern views on this controversial topic is incredibly unrealistic.

If you shared her opinion she'd be a strong independent black woman, standing up for what she believes in. But because you disagree with her she's nothing but a washed up piece of sh!t in your eyes. People like you are the problem. But you'll never, ever see that so no point even trying to debate it.

Also you saying just because she isn't really famous anymore her opinion doesn't matter? Means nothing? So what, only the opinion of currently famous people matters? Who is one of, if not THE (for better or worse) most famous person in the world right now, Donald Trump? Does his opinion matter to you? (as he's rich and famous).

This bitch is cancelled. I’m deleting her songs from my iPhone. Bitter hag.

Sure I'm the problem. Are you still calling women that reject you romantically ugly and undesirable? I'll be glad if you don't want a debate because I don't really have time to be on the receiving end of your incel rage.

If you'd have just asked the second part instead of going straight on the attack I'd have told you - no that isn't what I'm saying at all, she's perfectly entitled to her opinion. I just don't know what makes it thread worthy when it's a basic opinion shared by many like minded people. What makes her saying it any more notable? Do we need a thread every time someone denies trans women their existence?

Come into one of my twitch streams, Incels hate women, right? Half the people in my chat are women, and my best friend online and speedrun buddy is a woman. Im not an incel, so don't throw insults at me just because you feel your opinion is above mine.

You were discrediting an obviously very talented musician back in her time of fame purely because you disagree with her opinion. Just another white man telling another black woman they're wrong, huh? That's just vicious and tragic. But again, you disagree with me so im an 'incel' now and full of 'rage'.

And i know what you're referring to with your comment about calling a woman ugly and undesirable, have a read of that thread back and you'll see that wasn't the case at all. In fact i said she was the most beautiful woman i'd ever seen. So once again you've failed on that personal attack.

Nobody is denying a trans woman's existence, as per you're only hearing what you want to hear.

Why are people feeding into Piers Morgan's BS , he's probably wetting himself with joy at the drama he's caused now.

He's the one stirring things up as PER usual . This is the same pompous fog horn who left the GMB studio because he was losing a debate .... he ran away in a pathetic infantile mood. He's clearly trying anything controversial now to get more exposure , as his show is dropping in ratings.

Trust me, i don't give a toss about Piers Morgan, i know what he's doing here. But Macy Grey's opinion is worth listening to. The fact it was done on his show shouldn't mean anything really.

Tbh I wish that people ignored him as well.

It's people like him why people are so divided, these people make money by us dehumanizing each other due to their "journalism" setting off the metaphorical bomb.

I get what you're saying, but I think holding these opinions on a Piers Morgan programme definitely will make people question Macy Gray as a person, rightly or wrongly.

No-one denies that transwomen exist, they're very visible indeed :joker: declining to play along with a misheld belief isn't the same as denying someone's existence.

Okay pick me, just wait until its your sexuality the people you enable decide they dont want to play along with anymore.

this has nothing to do with sexuality, it's about gender identification. Two completely different things

Yeah, kinda sad some people don't even understand what they're actually arguing here.

What? :joker:

Sexuality is something which literally exists, people are attracted to whoever they're attracted to. There's nothing to "play along" with, as it's not imaginary.
Gender identity is just a belief, it has no material existence.

Yeah you'll be regurgitating this a lot.

Because people keep acting like transwomen are women, and that gender identity is comparable to sexuality.

Do you really think the conservative types care about any of that? keep playing your part in speeding up the process.

Even "conservative types" seem to play along - has our government done anything you consider anti-trans? If anything they're just as complicit.

"do you think men can get pregnant"

"no i don't"

"then you are denying that Transpeople exist"

Ah, makes sense.

Its a standard shut-down argument

i think "you deny transpeople exist" is a boilerplate response to any question. I've seen it used on here too and thought ... what?

why would a transman want to get pregnant, i get that they can get pregnant while they are transitioning but it is the last thing I think any transman would want?

and non binary are just that, non binary, why exclude the word woman because it upsets someone who doesnt want to be called a woman, makes no sense, if they want to be called a person who can get pregnant that is their choice to make not to have it foisted on others

Its all they have when faced with the absurdity of their position

if only we could deny Piers Morgan's existance :laugh:

:joker:

Not bad Nicky

this ridiculous woman is a teacher??

:laugh: