Shame on me then because I will be voting for Labour.
Plus I've extremely good morals thank you instilled in me from my parents and grandparents

Maybe you'd like to too ask who was possibly protecting Saville mostly and who one of his greatest admirers was.
Namely the Con Party and then Mrs Thatcher who all helped enable him to get his very high profile and even gave him a Knighthood.

It wasn't just down to Starmer whether he was prosecuted or not.
He should have been no doubt.
However no ONE person is responsible that he wasn't from the protective ring there clearly was around him.

Margaret Thatcher is dead. The public were not aware of Saville's crimes when voting her in.

Starmer is alive and hoping to be the Prime minister. We now know about Saville's crimes and how Starmer turned a blind eye to them when it was his job to prosecute them.

No you don't know at all.

Plus Thatcher wasn't dead when she fought to get him his Knighthood.
Just how many doors did that Knighthood open up for him.

You can selectively ignore that if you wish.
You only however weaken further your more uninforned statement.

Charles was besties with Savile aswell. It looked like Savile had him in his pocket.

Yes he was a favourite of the Royals too.

He did though have leading Cons and Thatcher firmly in his camp.

He should have been prosecuted, however Starmer was not one of the investigative lawyers.
He could only act on what was presented.
Which wasn't enough to prosecute.

He stated after all the revelations,which flooded in more after Saville's death, that changes to prosecutions of this nature would be strengthened.

I am no fan of Starmer, however whoever, police, detectives and lawyers who worked on the Saville allegations while he was alive.
It appears didn't present enough to prosecute.
So he'd have to stick to only what was said in the documents presented.

Were the lawyers and even the police leaned on?
Who knows.

Saville was evil.
He had strong influential friends in high places, such as in the Con government and in Thatcher.
As you stated Charles too.
Being fair to them, were they all fooled by him too?
Because he was clearly one vile, evil devious individual.
Even to having hospitals trust him and give him keys to hospital wards.

I say again though.
The Knighthood FOUGHT for him by Thatcher, how many more doors to vulnerable victims did that help open up for him.

No he wasn't. The case didn't escalate beyond local level as no-one was prepared to testify in court.

Anyone over the age of 55 should not be able to vote

Labour is not going to Ban,
buy one, get one free offers

J. Ashworth MP (New) Labour Fella
speaking on Laura BBC2HD today

:notimpressed: :crazy: wtah.

Stupid statement. Do we suddenly become mentally impaired at this specific age? No.

Yeah, well, I’m talking from my experience and partly anecdotal tongue-in-cheek and that’s just the way it is, Liv.

Now you're just trolling or being age ist for the sake of it.

Ageism is no better than homophobia. You know that, right?

He's a 'protected class' ...... so he thinks it's ok to dump on others.

Yet nobody bats an eyelid when people continuously demean young people

I bat an eyelid but at the same time I respect increasing age and increasing experience, whether I give off a pompous know-it-all air or I don’t.

Here we go with the tit for tat bs .

It's hilarious when plenty including myself are supportive towards lowering the voting age to 16 , yet some people think older people 'shouldn't vote' hmmm.... that's not very progressive is it ? :whistle:.

Todays youngsters are very immature.. they’d be better off increasing the age to 21


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The governing bodies are completely out of touch with reality .. unless they feel that the younger ones will be easier to fool ..


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Imagine believing labour under Starmer will do anything they say they will. Keir has never met a promise he hasn't reneged on.

i'm quite hopeful on that front, he has said brexit means brexit, which should mean we go back into the EU customs union :laugh:

The exception I missed out, was that any right wing pledges he makes, you can absolutely take to the bank. It's only issues that could be considered progressive that he has no interest in.

Without any pledge to undertake a massive house building project, you can file this under "imagine believing labour"

Sure Slim
that comes at the next Election
next year.

The pledge comes before the next election or after it?

Just before The Next General Election.

Keirsta Starmarista?

I still agree wholeheartedly with the reduction of the voting age to 16.

As I said before, teenagers I've talked to, talk far more sense about the Country and politics than some of those very much older.

I just wish Starmer, since he's open to it, something else he's open to but doesn't want to commit to yet.
Is to adopt PR for elections..
He'd ensure a likely landslide if he did.

Many 16 year olds are content to be messing around in class and throwing paper aeroplanes around when they should be revising for GCSE exams in a few weeks


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His team came out a few days ago and said he's never been in favour of PR, despite, y'know, previously being in favour of it.

https://www.independent.co.uk/voices...-b2329451.html

Why does anyone trust a thing out of this mans mouth?

And many adults are content to be pissing around on benefits when they "should be" working (apparently) so should they be denied a vote as well?

I have on good authority that he is open to PR but NOT at this time.
That makes little sense to me admittedky.
His last statement on it when asked was, it's not a right policy for this coming election.

I think and hope, that PR along with other things he KNOWS full well are popular.
If he wins this time, that they'll BE policy for the election after.

He will be in massive difficulty if he fails to adopt them.
That's for sure.

I've seen and heard loads of utter more tripe and nonsense from people much older too.
I think the young often have a better idea of how things should be.

They couldn't make a worse mess than the current older generation have.
Look at the state of the Country.
Look at the chaotic mess there is

He's pissed away his tory incompetence lead, so we both know PR is never going to raise it's head. I don't know why you keep putting yourself through this, Joey. I understand the need to vote for him to get tories out, but i don't understand the need to keep pretending he's something he isn't.

Because I believe perseverance can win through in the end.
I don't give up on things easily either

I've never really liked any recent Labour leader anyhow.
Or Con one.

I think you're wrong as to PR with respect.
It has now been passed twice at conference.
Very heavily last year too.
My thinking is, Labour will now adopt PR.
Not at the next election as policy.
However I do think it's coming and it can ONLY come via Labour because the Cons will never support it.
That's one of my main aims to fight for in the Party.

I'm still not convinced that PR would "work", I'm still yet to hear a coherent way as to how it's compatible with our parliamentary system; as it stands, we vote for who we want to represent the constituency in which we live, in the Commons. Under PR the amount of seats for each party would be allocated based on the total votes across the UK.
How would the seats be allocated? Maybe something like ... each area should be represented by whichever party has the most votes in that area?

Wish I could trade some of my cynicism for your idealism, and as always, hope you're right.

My point is that teenagers seem to be getting more and more immature as time goes on .. I’ve noticed the decline over the last 30 years


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until you own property, pay a pension, council tax, put your own bins out own a car and have kids im sorry you have no earthly clue as to what is going on in life